[TPR] Bent a push rod???

shawkins777 at comcast.net shawkins777 at comcast.net
Sun Jul 22 11:42:30 PDT 2012 


Pull the valve covers and check for broken rocker arms. 



Steve 



----- Original Message -----


From: "David in Durango" <adin at frontier.net> 
To: "Teampantera" <teampantera at yahoo.com>, "Asa Jay Laughton" <asajay at asajay.com>, tpr at teampanteraracing.com 
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 1:35:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [TPR] Bent a push rod??? 

Poo, that's bad news!  I have a set of 3/8" 8.4 long used pushrods and guide 
plates if you can use them. 

Neighbors?  If they keep me up at night, they get up when I do. 

If you had one more fat old man drinking beer, this wouldn't happen . . . . 

Keep us posted? 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Teampantera" <teampantera at yahoo.com> 
To: "Asa Jay Laughton" <asajay at asajay.com>; <tpr at teampanteraracing.com> 
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 12:24 PM 
Subject: [TPR] Bent a push rod??? 


> Ever have one of those days where you wish you had NOT got out of bed? 
> 
> Larry 'the Falcon' came over Saturday and we worked on the Pantera 3-4 
> hours....okay we just backed it out of the garage, started it and then 
> drank beer and leered at neighbor women walking by in inappropriate 
> short-shorts, answering tech questions about how fast the Pantera really 
> was....you know where I answer, 
> 
> "With me driving or Mario Andretti driving?" 
> 
> Anyway on to Sunday....I wake up @ 4AM and can't fall back asleep and 
> immediately realize in horror that  I am sleeping with my mom so I got up 
> quickly, got dressed and went out to the garage. I waited until I was 
> certain the neighbors were awake (5:30AM) and started ItBWild and headed 
> the 5 miles to PCH (Hwy 1) headed south towards San Diego when I heard 
> then saw in my rear view mirror a beat up 66 Chevy Nova....he passed me 
> near Laguna Beach and I stayed behind him onto the Laguna Canyon road 
> which twists back up to I-405. When I had a spot to pass him I downshifted 
> and hit the throttle blowing by him (yea he let me) but as I went around 
> him and lifted on throttle I heard some noise like a lifter.. 
> GAAAAAAAW 
> 
> I threw it in neutral and pulled over and shut down..the guy inthe Nova 
> behind me....we looked for any fluid loss and after about 5 minutes I 
> restarted and hearing the knocking immediiately shut down again ( yea I 
> had good oil pressure).  Called AAA and got a flatbed coming to pick me up 
> 
> In meantime the Nova hot rod owner and I share some history...he is 
> running a built 396 and said he had it on rolllers and that it made 400 hp 
> at rear wheels...in meantime tow flatbed shows up and brings Pantera back 
> home.....now its 8am and neighbors are gawking and sneering that look of 
> "THATS WOT YOU DEAERVE FOR WAKING US UP!" 
> 
> Will pull valve covers and get Dick Drenske over this afternoon for 
> 'damage assessment' 
> 
> Yea may have over revved but was supposed to have had rev limitor set at 
> 6300 too so not sure yet what happened. 
> 
> Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote: 
> 
>>At the risk of inviting more advice that will prolong this agony... 
>> 
>>Here are the photos of the Plastigage results: 
>>http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=5416 
>> 
>>I'm off to Napa to buy some gaskets. 
>>Asa Jay 
>> 
>>Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired 
>>&  Shelley Marie 
>>Spokane, WA 
>>****************************** 
>>http://www.racingagainstautism.com 
>>http://www.teampanteraracing.com 
>>http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 
>> 
>> 
>>On 7/21/2012 10:32 AM, David in Durango wrote: 
>>> OR (probably not recommended?) 
>>> One could think that .003 is very close to .0028 and call that close 
>>> enough 
>>> with a HV oil pump (or not). 
>>> 
>>> Seems a hill billy approach?  if the crank is already .010 under I'd 
>>> think 
>>> about not turning it to .020 - but that's my personal hangup. 
>>> 
>>> Time for a Baconater and a Modelo Especial . . . .   We don't want any 
>>> egg 
>>> shaped main jounals! 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Asa Jay Laughton"<asajay at asajay.com> 
>>> To:<tpr at teampanteraracing.com> 
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 9:05 AM 
>>> Subject: Re: [TPR] Asa's Engine rebuild update 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Anyone? 
>>>> JB, any opinion on the use of shim stock to tighten up the tolerance on 
>>>> the main bearings? 
>>>> 
>>>> Asa Jay 
>>>> 
>>>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired 
>>>> &   Shelley Marie 
>>>> Spokane, WA 
>>>> ****************************** 
>>>> http://www.racingagainstautism.com 
>>>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com 
>>>> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 7/20/2012 8:29 PM, Asa Jay Laughton wrote: 
>>>>> Not much done tonight. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Reviewed the Plastigage.  0.003 clearance on all mains.  Spec calls 
>>>>> for 0.001-0.0015 Desired, with 0.0028 being max allowable.  Sounds 
>>>>> like 
>>>>> I should probably shim and can get it from Napa. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alrighty then, it's been over 25 years since I shimmed a crank.  I've 
>>>>> lost the knowledge, but know it can be done.  I'm looking for expert 
>>>>> pointers on this... Russ??? 
>>>>> - Shim both bearing halves or just one? 
>>>>> - How? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Took inventory of gaskets.  Need intake, front cover, oil pan, front 
>>>>> main seal, one head gasket (will probably buy two just for good 
>>>>> measure).  Rest of rod bearings did -not- show up today (darnit). 
>>>>> Break-in oil did though.  I also have three bottles of assembly lube, 
>>>>> will use it liberally on all parts, mains, rods, cylinders, cam, 
>>>>> lifters, etc. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gotta get'er done. 
>>>>> Asa Jay 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired 
>>>>> &    Shelley Marie 
>>>>> Spokane, WA 
>>>>> ****************************** 
>>>>> http://www.racingagainstautism.com 
>>>>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com 
>>>>> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 7/20/2012 6:41 AM, Asa Jay Laughton wrote: 
>>>>>> Oh, you're way ahead of me... :)   I'll have to move fast to catch 
>>>>>> up. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Asa Jay 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired 
>>>>>> &     Shelley Marie 
>>>>>> Spokane, WA 
>>>>>> ****************************** 
>>>>>> http://www.racingagainstautism.com 
>>>>>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com 
>>>>>> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 7/19/2012 9:44 PM, David wrote: 
>>>>>>> Well, dang. Asa Jay may(?) catch and pass me. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Since the lift debacle: flywheel installed, clutch installed, ZF 
>>>>>>> mated 
>>>>>>> to Cleveland (never thought I'd see that again, balance point 
>>>>>>> determined ( pulled the ZF separately - not recommended). 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Still plenty to do before the stab. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers, 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 2012, at 10:33 PM, Asa Jay Laughton<asajay at asajay.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote: 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - Cleaned the crank with a 0.22 caliber boresnake.  No residue. 
>>>>>>>> Blew 
>>>>>>>> out with compressed air. 
>>>>>>>> - Honed the cylinders, put a pretty good cross-hatch in there 
>>>>>>>> (amazing 
>>>>>>>> how smooth and shiny the cylinders actually were before honing.) 
>>>>>>>> - Cleaned, scrubbed the block with clean rags, brushes where 
>>>>>>>> possible 
>>>>>>>> and blew out with compressed air. 
>>>>>>>> - Placed main bearings -dry-, with crank and Plastigage.  Torqued 
>>>>>>>> to 
>>>>>>>> spec using ARP assembly lube.  Will let sit overnight and check 
>>>>>>>> readings 
>>>>>>>> tomorrow. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - Waiting on balance of rod bearings. 
>>>>>>>> - Will probably assembly new rings to pistons tomorrow but may need 
>>>>>>>> to 
>>>>>>>> hold off piston insertion until rod bearings arrive. 
>>>>>>>> - May be able to install cam/lifters and spring/spider assembly 
>>>>>>>> (holds 
>>>>>>>> the roller lifters in place) this weekend. 
>>>>>>>> - May be able to assemble timing gear set (Pete Jackson quiet gear 
>>>>>>>> drive) and front cover too.  We'll see how it goes. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> - I should really pull the radiator this weekend too, in order to 
>>>>>>>> see 
>>>>>>>> how bad it is or isn't. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Everybody check your harnesses.  The set Mad Dawg gave me a few 
>>>>>>>> years 
>>>>>>>> ago have now expired (was expected) so I need at least one new. 
>>>>>>>> Helmet 
>>>>>>>> is still good, SA 2010. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Still need tires, waiting for budget to replenish.  A little closer 
>>>>>>>> though... sold an old set of ARE wheels I used to run on the Mach 
>>>>>>>> I... 
>>>>>>>> since the Campy's look so much nicer on it now.  :)  ... and can 
>>>>>>>> runner 
>>>>>>>> a wider tire on the rear!  Hoo rah! 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Photo uploads much later... trying to concentrate on the actual 
>>>>>>>> work 
>>>>>>>> but 
>>>>>>>> still taking photos. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Asa Jay 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired 
>>>>>>>> &      Shelley Marie 
>>>>>>>> Spokane, WA 
>>>>>>>> ****************************** 
>>>>>>>> http://www.racingagainstautism.com 
>>>>>>>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com 
>>>>>>>> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism 
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