[TPR] HSR

Thu Oct 31 15:27:35 PDT 2024

 That is interesting Steve...You may have heard/read some of the discussion after SS about how far off my high speed handling was...could be a combination of factors (tires, suspension settings) but I am going back 17/18" wheels/tires as the 18/19's. Pretty confident Asa will get it right because in 2022 with 17/18" wheel/tires suspension was so dialed in I could take my hands off the steering wheel with confidence  it was perfect and the added caster was noticable at high speeds. 
This year even with only a 135 Average high speed handling was scary (twitchy is what Dave called it)....that is the ORR challenge we just do not have enough open road or a long enough course to test and tune high speed handling. 
Steve, your real-world racing lessons input lessons-learned are much appreciated.
Dennis
    On Thursday, October 31, 2024 at 02:23:15 PM PDT, Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com> wrote:  

 We have dropped floor pans.  We were originally scraping a little bit, but we cut the drops back a little bit so as to be not so aggressive.  You can still see some scrapes -- so we must still be hitting a little bit here and there -- but we don't feel it.  Here at Daytona, the banking is so massive that the car doesn't really lean -- you can take your hands off the steering wheel and it almost drives itself around the oval sections.  It is the tire wear that calls for a little more camber on the upbank tires.  So, it just settles into a nice stance and doesn't lean drastically (as it does in the corners).  

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On Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 2:09 PM Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:

Too bad about the Norma, that’s pretty crazy stuff. Good thing you brought along a reliable Pantera and a passionate crew. 

Whenever I encountered strongly banked track corners, I needed a plastic rub pad under the seats to take the heavy impact crunch out of the too soft spring rates I would normally run on a road course. What made it worse for me was my dropped floor pans also hanging low, I would hit pretty upsettingly hard between steel and pavement and You?

Larry

From: TPR <tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com> on behalf of Steve Lisa via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Reply-To: Steve Lisa <stevelisa at patentit.com>
Date: Thursday, October 31, 2024 at 1:18 PM
To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
Cc: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>, David Carpenter via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>, Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [TPR] HSR

Guys, 

We have put Asa Jay to work, and we are having a great time. 

FYI we are not running an oval -- we are running a road course that uses the oval.  So it still needs to turn.  And, remember -- this is an FIA "1972-spec" Group 3 car with limited changes.  We build the car so that we could run in a FIA-pre 12/31/72 group because we complied with the December 1972 FIA Group 3 rules (e.g., six attachment points for the cage, stock shocks, stock sway bars (we cheated a bit by putting the GTS swaybars on)).  Unless we want to build a car that runs in the Group 4, Goup 5, Exhibition or Post-73 classes, we pretty much are racing what they sold the customers in 72 as a Group 3 car.  Our goal is to finish and show people that a nearly stock Pantera can not only look great, but also do pretty well in a race and then run for beer. We have enough fully built race cars, this one is our piece of art on wheels. :)   

For those that many be interested in more information: 

Here are the HSR Classic Endurance classes -- we are Group A:

   - https://www.hsrrace.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/59/2024/07/03/2024-CL24-Groups-Classses-OFFICIAL.pdf

Here is the entry list -- check out the "Group A" entrants:

   - https://www.motorsportreg.com/index.cfm/event/event.status/uidEvent/4EFB241D-C7D4-BCBF-DB10E3BED2079E2C

I have not found live TV -- here is the live timing:  

   - https://www.race-monitor.com/Live/Race/150540

Here is the schedule:

   - https://www.hsrrace.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/59/2024/10/25/2024-CLDay-Official-Schedule-Supps-V4.pdf

We already lost the Norma Prototype -- the first session cracked the roll hoop behind the driver.  After some research, we are finding that many of the older tube frame prototypes have stopped running this race because they are so stiff and the incredible down force and other stresses are cracking their frames.  We don't want to strip the whole car here to see where else it may be cracked -- so we are done with that car and our weekend is now in the hands of the Pantera.  

Asa Jay will keep you all posted!! 

And, as always - thanks for all your support over the years -- and keep it coming. 

Regards, 

Steven G. Lisa, Esq.

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On Thu, Oct 31, 2024 at 12:28 PM Asa Jay Laughton via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote:

I am here “learning” and not giving any advice.  Steve’s son Tony is awesome at this stuff.  He’s making all the measurements and calculating the changes.  I’m just wrenching when I can.  😁

Asa  Jay

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On Oct 31, 2024, at 15:12, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:

Having them and knowing how to use them can be an art form.

Got to learn weight jacking with the fuel tank and driver leaning on the left rear leaving the right front light, and your going left at Daytona which is also working against you. Look at how they construct a Modified oval racer, or NASCAR builds a totally different chassis for left handed ovals. You have your work cut out for you, maybe try 800 pound RH springs and 600 pound LH springs and see how that feels.

Sometimes weight jacking becomes a little more obvious to make the Pantera work, like in the photo attached

Larry

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Date: Thursday, October 31, 2024 at 11:29 AM
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Subject: Re: [TPR] HSR

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