[TPR] wheels

Thu May 19 14:44:04 PDT 2011

One more time. . .Yea, in one section of the rule book it does say tires that 
are H rated will pass Tech for Touring Division but read ALL the rules quoted 
below...a few points (again)

1.  No one has ever went to any open road race with a Pantera and NOT passed 
Tire Tech with street performance tires that had at least a V, W, Y or Z rated 
street rubber or race tires unless they either did not meet minimum load ratings 
(Bob Wood), or tires were cracked or had flat cornering spots/wear. 

2.  The issue on tire loading has been in the rule book for at least 20 years. 

Erik and others were willing to waive the "V" speed rating for guys up until a 
couple years ago but no more....the rules never changed (read all the Tech rules 
below)

3.  Actually Gary Hall was one of the sources that Eric talked to who confirmed 
that ALL Pantera's that were mfg and imported into North America were imported 
on Pirelli V rated tires. So that was the standard set years ago on speed 
ratings. 

4.  I have seen about a dozen or more after market wheels on Pantera's at ORR's 
and some had SPACERS....but I don't ever remember anyone ever asking Tech if 
their wheels were okay....maybe Tech should have asked...Even Dan Courtney, 
Elliott Kushner and others have passed Tech with monster  19-20" ghetto 
aftermarket wheels and Eric at SS or JohnT at BORR/SORC have not had a 
problem....but on the subject of  SPACERS you are we opening up a can of worms 
with Tire Tech. . .Don't think you really want to go there do you? Okay you 
already have so that answers that question ;-)  

If you are going to quote the rule book please don't do a 'Mikey' on us and only 
quote part of what the ENTIRE rule book says on tires.

Whether it is BBORR, SORC, or SSCC keep in mind I have been to 43 orr's iand 
dealed with all the sanctioning bodies in Nevada, Nebraska and Texas and Mexico 
and have never had a Tire Tech problem....there is a reason....I READ ALL THE 
RULES....;-))

The rule book for SSCC says and I quote again;
=======================================================================

XIII. TIRE REGULATIONS 
1. LOAD CARRING CAPACITY:  ALL TIRES MUST HAVE AN EQUAL OR GREATER 
LOAD CARRYING CAPACITY THAN THE ORIGINAL TIRE.   (I.e. The base tire for a 1999 
Mustang is a P205/65R15 rated @ 1400 lbs. Any replacement tire must have a load 
rating of at least 
1400 lbs. Regardless of the speed rating or what Division/Class the vehicle is 
competing.)

2. SPEED RATING:  ALL TIRES MUST HAVE AN EQUAL OR GREATER SPEED 
RATING THAN ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT (OEM) REGARDLESS OF WHAT 
DIVISION/CLASS THE VEHICLE IS COMPETING IN. (i.e., A 1992 BMW 535i comes 
equipped with 225/60VR15 tire from the factory.  The car must have tires with an 
equal or higher speed 
rating to compete in any class, including Touring.)
A.    Touring Division:  DOT approved “U” rated tires (or better) will be 
considered the Minimum 
Standard.
B. Grand Touring Division:  DOT approved “V” rated tires (or better) will be 
considered the Minimum  
         Standard.
C. Grand Sport Division:  DOT approved  “Z” or “W” rated tires are required. 
 Should not be more 
than two years old.
D. Super Sport Division:  DOT approved  “Z” or “Y” rated or approved racing 
tires are required.  
Should not be more than two years old.
E. Unlimited Division:  Approved racing tires are required. -ORF. Unlimited 
class cars may use certain DOT tires known to us to have been tested to speeds 
above 
the known limit of the tire.
3. Racing Tires: Because racing tires do not have load or speed ratings, those 
who wish to use such tires 
must submit the type of vehicle, the top speed, and the intended tire make, 
model, & sizes for preapproval.
4. A low tire pressure warning system is highly recommended.
=======================================================================
I would suggest if anyone is planning to use aftermarket wheels they might want 
to talk to the MFG 1st and vendors and owners like JT, Steve Hawkinson, Jim 
Kuchura and others 

Mad Dawg Antenucci 
Team Pantera Racing 
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing 
www.teampanteraracing.com

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From: "asajay at asajay.com" <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Sent: Thu, May 19, 2011 1:54:32 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] wheels

I didn't mean to touch a nerve here, I think we're all for gaining a  
competitive advantage, and I think we'd all agree if it's in the rule  
book we'll stick to it but if it isn't can you really fail me for it?

The trouble we have in this instance, is there are some things Pantera  
owners have found out aren't in the rule book at SSCC but will fail  
you anyway.  One such item is that the rule book indicates the minimum  
speed rating for the tires on your Pantera must be H rated.  But we  
have several people who can tell you first hand, they were failed at  
tech because they showed up with "Rule Book legal" tires.  Tech wants  
to see V or higher.

So when it comes to the spacers, we just want to be sure.

If I've taken this too far, my apologies.  Let's get back to racing.
:)
Asa Jay

Quoting "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>:

> Geez, all those years wasted trying to get a few things past  NASCAR, NHRA
> and SCCA Tech inspectors....
>
> never safety items, in fact, they made use remove extra bracing once because
> ( the part time inspector , full time postal worker )
> thought he knew more than the aeronautical engineer on my crew who put the
> braces on to start with.
>
> It is what it is.........
>
> If it isn't in the rules, then it should be OK, the great thing about A, B (
> old days ) C and D sports racing cars in that those classes have the fewest
> rules
>
> I designed, built, installed  and THEN had to remove moveable surface rear
> wings in the 1980's, the EXACT same thing that is now allowed in Formula
> One.
>
> It doesn't always pay to be ahead of the pack.
>
> Michael

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