[TPR] wheels

Thu May 19 14:47:10 PDT 2011

I thought that Goodyear Arrivas were the standard "Factory Tire" after the
first batch with Continentals?

Michael Shortt

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>wrote:

>   One more time. . .Yea, in one section of the rule book it does say tires
> that are H rated will pass Tech for Touring Division but read ALL the rules
> quoted below...a few points (again)
>
> 1.  No one has ever went to any open road race with a Pantera and NOT
> passed Tire Tech with street performance tires that had at least a V, W, Y
> or Z rated street rubber or race tires unless they either did not meet
> minimum load ratings (Bob Wood), or tires were cracked or had flat cornering
> spots/wear.
>
> 2.  The issue on tire loading has been in the rule book for at least 20
> years.
>
> Erik and others were willing to waive the "V" speed rating for guys up
> until a couple years ago but no more....the rules never changed (read all
> the Tech rules below)
>
> 3.  Actually Gary Hall was one of the sources that Eric talked to who
> confirmed that ALL Pantera's that were mfg and imported into North America
> were imported on Pirelli V rated tires. So that was the standard set years
> ago on speed ratings.
>
> 4.  I have seen about a dozen or more after market wheels on Pantera's at
> ORR's and some had SPACERS....but I don't ever remember anyone ever asking
> Tech if their wheels were okay....maybe Tech should have asked...Even Dan
> Courtney, Elliott Kushner and others have passed Tech with monster  19-20"
> ghetto aftermarket wheels and Eric at SS or JohnT at BORR/SORC have not had
> a problem....but on the subject of  SPACERS you are we opening up a can of
> worms with Tire Tech. . .Don't think you really want to go there do you?
> Okay you already have so that answers that question ;-)
>
> *If you are going to quote the rule book please don't do a 'Mikey' on us
> and only quote part of what the ENTIRE rule book says on tires.*
>
> Whether it is BBORR, SORC, or SSCC keep in mind I have been to 43 orr's
> iand dealed with all the sanctioning bodies in Nevada, Nebraska and Texas
> and Mexico and have never had a Tire Tech problem....there is a reason....I
> READ ALL THE RULES....;-))
>
> The rule book for SSCC says and I quote again;
> =======================================================================
>
>  XIII. TIRE REGULATIONS
> 1. *LOAD CARRING CAPACITY:  ALL TIRES MUST HAVE AN EQUAL OR GREATER *
> *LOAD CARRYING CAPACITY THAN THE ORIGINAL TIRE. *  (I.e. The base tire for
> a 1999
> Mustang is a P205/65R15 rated @ 1400 lbs. Any replacement tire must have a
> load rating of at least
> 1400 lbs. Regardless of the speed rating or what Division/Class the vehicle
> is competing.)
>
> 2. *SPEED RATING:  ALL TIRES MUST HAVE AN EQUAL OR GREATER SPEED *
> *RATING THAN ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT (OEM) REGARDLESS OF WHAT *
> *DIVISION/CLASS THE VEHICLE IS COMPETING IN. (i.e., A 1992 BMW 535i comes
> *
> *equipped with 225/60VR15 tire from the factory.  The car must have tires
> with an equal or higher speed *
> rating to compete in any class, including Touring.)
> A.    Touring Division:  DOT approved “U” rated tires (or better) will be
> considered the Minimum
> Standard.
> B. Grand Touring Division:  DOT approved “V” rated tires (or better) will
> be considered the Minimum
>          Standard.
> C. Grand Sport Division:  DOT approved  “Z” or “W” rated tires are
> required.  Should not be more
> than two years old.
> D. Super Sport Division:  DOT approved  “Z” or “Y” rated or approved racing
> tires are required.
> Should not be more than two years old.
> E. Unlimited Division:  Approved racing tires are required. -ORF. Unlimited
> class cars may use certain DOT tires known to us to have been tested to
> speeds above
> the known limit of the tire.
> 3. Racing Tires: Because racing tires do not have load or speed ratings,
> those who wish to use such tires
> must submit the type of vehicle, the top speed, and the intended tire make,
> model, & sizes for preapproval.
> 4. A low tire pressure warning system is highly recommended.
> =======================================================================
> I would suggest if anyone is planning to use aftermarket wheels they might
> want to talk to the MFG 1st and vendors and owners like JT, Steve Hawkinson,
> Jim Kuchura and others
>
>
> *Mad Dawg Antenucci
> Team Pantera Racing*
> *The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing
> *www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* "asajay at asajay.com" <asajay at asajay.com>
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Sent:* Thu, May 19, 2011 1:54:32 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] wheels
>
> I didn't mean to touch a nerve here, I think we're all for gaining a
> competitive advantage, and I think we'd all agree if it's in the rule
> book we'll stick to it but if it isn't can you really fail me for it?
>
> The trouble we have in this instance, is there are some things Pantera
> owners have found out aren't in the rule book at SSCC but will fail
> you anyway.  One such item is that the rule book indicates the minimum
> speed rating for the tires on your Pantera must be H rated.  But we
> have several people who can tell you first hand, they were failed at
> tech because they showed up with "Rule Book legal" tires.  Tech wants
> to see V or higher.
>
> So when it comes to the spacers, we just want to be sure.
>
> If I've taken this too far, my apologies.  Let's get back to racing.
> :)
> Asa Jay
>
> Quoting "michael at michaelshortt.com" <michaelsavga at gmail.com>:
>
> > Geez, all those years wasted trying to get a few things past  NASCAR,
> NHRA
> > and SCCA Tech inspectors....
> >
> > never safety items, in fact, they made use remove extra bracing once
> because
> > ( the part time inspector , full time postal worker )
> > thought he knew more than the aeronautical engineer on my crew who put
> the
> > braces on to start with.
> >
> > It is what it is.........
> >
> > If it isn't in the rules, then it should be OK, the great thing about A,
> B (
> > old days ) C and D sports racing cars in that those classes have the
> fewest
> > rules
> >
> > I designed, built, installed  and THEN had to remove moveable surface
> rear
> > wings in the 1980's, the EXACT same thing that is now allowed in Formula
> > One.
> >
> > It doesn't always pay to be ahead of the pack.
> >
> > Michael
>
>
>
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