[TPR] What we are about . . . .
bob Radefeld
bob at radefeld.com
Sun Dec 4 08:13:32 PST 2011
Dear Chuck,
Weren't you one of the folks with advice regarding the "slippery slope"
syndrome that so easily occurs when one pulls his engine? That certainly
applied to me when my engine came out of my car & I've got a hunch it could
very easily infect Asa if he swaps engines. If he can somehow "immunize"
himself against this happening then YES, I would agree that swapping
engines might allow for a smaller outlay of $$ for him. Personally,
however, I would pull only the heads & be more assured that my chances of
sliding were minimized to the max.........FWIW.
Bob
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 9:06 AM, Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net> wrote:
> Dear Mr. Not Completely Stock Engine Owner,****
>
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> My biggest concern was with the lousy plastic timing
> gear and you’ve taken care of that. I had forgotten about the two piece
> valves. I think the best and most unpleasant comments on that are from JB
> and Rowdy. To paraphrase one of my favorite quotes for this situation:
> “As long as nothing happens to the engine, there’s no danger.”****
>
> ** **
>
> Perhaps for the least financial cost, the Mustang
> engine transplant might the best deal. You said that the biggest dollar
> cost would be adjusting or rebuilding the carb for it’s new situation in
> the Pantera. You could put the Pantera engine on a stand and then……..put
> the Mustang on the proverbial back burner of “when I get ‘round tuit”
> and/or begin another engine build from those three re-builders you have for
> a Mustang powerplant.****
>
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> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles****
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> Fr*om:* tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [mailto:
> tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] *On Behalf Of *Asa Jay Laughton
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:52 PM
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
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> Well the fact is there is nothing -wrong- with the stock engine -in- the
> Pantera right now. Except for doomsayer's like John (no offense intended)
> who keep a tinge of doubt in my mind, I have no qualms about running this
> engine at 100 MPH for 90 miles. It needs nothing right now other than an
> oil and filter change, well and maybe a new radiator (or rebuilt, I'm
> working on that).
>
> Granted, running it between WOT and full Brakes on the local track for 20
> minutes at a shot, or brutalizing it on an autocross course isn't the
> same. Might it not survive 100 MPH for 90 miles? Maybe.
>
> Two years ago I replaced all the valve stem keepers and valve stem seals.
> I've tuned it for no-knock on 92 Octane pump gas (of course it's a '73
> de-tuned engine anyway.) It has a full-roller timing set (after the stock
> set went south). Okay, so it's not strictly stock, like Brock Tella stock,
> okay?
>
> No worries though, I'm not about to spend a brazilian dollars on new parts
> for a new rebuild. That comes secondary. What the angst is about is
> whether to buy in to the idea the stock engine might grenade on course and
> instead run the engine I've built for the Mach I. Details on that engine
> build are here:
> http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm
>
> It's been running in the Mach I since 2001, just not been driven a whole
> lot.
>
> <sigh> I just need new shocks/springs, a new radiator, wheels and tires,
> an oil and filter change and I'll be ready. But I'll also listen to other
> advice. What other reasons are there that my engine as it is might not
> make it 90 miles at 100 MPH?
>
> Asa Jay
>
>
>
> ****
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired****
>
> & Shelley Marie****
>
> Spokane, WA****
>
> ****************************** ****
>
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com****
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> http://www.teampanteraracing.com****
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> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism****
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> On 12/3/2011 5:35 PM, Charles Engles wrote: ****
>
> Dear Asa,****
>
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>
> Ahem. That should read: * **John’s* email is filled
> with words of wisdom. ****
>
> My bad, Chuck Engles****
>
> *From:* tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [
> mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com<tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>
> ]* **On Behalf Of* Charles Engles
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:33 PM
> *To:* 'John Bentley'; 'Asa Jay Laughton'; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> Dear Asa,****
>
> John email is filled with words of wisdom. ****
>
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> Warmest regards, Chuck
> Engles****
>
> *From:* tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [
> mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com<tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com>
> ]* **On Behalf Of* John Bentley
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:03 PM
> *To:* Asa Jay Laughton; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> Asa,****
>
> You gotta stop this! Don't run Silver State with an original un-touched
> engine since you will probably suck a valve at mile 25! Don't worry about
> the long list of $20k worth of parts you WANT and just get it running and
> run the 100 MPH class. Take smaller steps or you will NEVER drive it
> again. :) My garage is filled with parts I have collected along the way
> and if I waited until they were all installed it would never leave the jack
> stands.****
>
> Don't make me send the Brazilian girls up there to fix your engine......!*
> ***
>
> JB****
>
> *From:* Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> <asajay at asajay.com>
> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 3, 2011 3:51 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
>
> You're excellency,
>
> There is always room at the Northwest Pantera Research Institute for The
> Pope. The last transients to stay here were Mike Drew and John Christian
> on their way to the Rocky Mountain Tour. I have a refrigerator
> specifically designated for beer. Although it's not normally stocked, it
> miraculously fills anytime a man of the shop cloth comes to stay. And one
> of the natives has a "Hut" always well stocked with pizza.
>
> I do have an emotional attachment to the engine in the Pantera. It's an
> original numbers matching, never been rebuilt, still runs. Yes.... the
> more I drive it -hard-, the more I take a chance on breaking something,
> which I sometimes have angst about.... until I climb in, fire it up and
> drive away. So on the one hand, I really should swap it, but on the
> other... how cool would it be to complete the SSCC in a triple digit speed
> class, with the original numbers matching engine, never been rebuilt, 40
> years after it was made? ... WOW!
>
> The Mach I could sit without an engine. I haven't actually driven it in
> -over- a year. It's really in a sad state of bodywork and paint. But I
> just know if it sits for -long- without an engine.... it will depress me
> even further as to it's non-driven state. That engine is -not- numbers
> matching and I could pretty much put it anywhere I want without any angst.
>
> The engine currently on the stand in the lab is still waiting further
> forensics, which I'm hoping to get to this winter. It isn't a good
> candidate for a rebuild; it was bored .030" over last time and has nearly
> 80K miles on it or so. I have three others stored that I could use for new
> rebuilt platforms, but I don't know what condition they are in.... again,
> the Northwest PRI has no money for research at the moment.
>
> If the angels granted this kind of project could be undertaken, it would
> most likely happen in January and would look something like this:
>
> - Move Shelley's Jeep out of garage, move Mach I in
> - Remove engine sans transmission (time estimate, half a day)
> - Drain radiator of coolant, unhook radiator hoses, remove radiator
> - Drain engine of oil, unhook oil lines to accumulator
> - Remove fan belts and fan
> - Remove power steering pump and set aside (or unhook hoses if
> necessary)
> - Remove alternator
> - Unhook all wiring to the engine and place aside
> - Remove carb, tape over intake
> - Remove distributor
> - Unbolt headers at head
> - Unhook fuel line and cork it (if there's any left)Asa Jay Laughton,
> MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> - Unbolt transmission, motor mounts and pull the sucker
> - Put the engine on a stand
> - Move Mach I back outside, move Shelley's Jeep back in.
> - Remove the engine from the Pantera (time estimate, half a day)
> - Remove the decklid
> - Drain coolant, unhook hoses, remove radiator (needs new or rebuilt
> radiator)
> - Drain engine oil
> - Drain ZF gear oil
> - Unhook fuel line and cork
> - Remove carb and distributor, cover holes
> - Unhook all wiring, set aside
> - Remove A/C compressor (unused currently), set aside
> - Unhook/remove starter (get it out of the way)
> - Remove A/C Condensor
> - Unhook headers
> - Unhook transmission linkage
> - Unhook transmission wiring
> - Unhook half-shafts
> - Remove clutch slave, set aside
> - Unbolt engine and trans mounts and pull the sucker
> - Swap the ZF to the other engine (an hour maybe)
> - Swap flywheels (the Mach I is an automatic)
> - Install new pilot bearing since the Mach I doesn't have one (money)
> - Install pressure plate and clutch disc (assuming they are fine,
> otherwise.... more money)
> - Reverse the process on the Pantera (another half day)
>
> But then.....
> - I don't have a well-tuned carb for the Mach I engine. The Carter AFB on
> there works, but not as optimally as it should. The Holley from the
> Pantera would work, but it's not tuned to the higher horsepower of the Mach
> I engine. Do I rebuild and re-tune the Carter or do I re-jet the Holley?
> - I could use the Duraspark distributor from the Mach I in the Pantera but
> I'd need to wire up a computer box in the engine compartment to make it
> work. Best to do that while the engine is out. (more money)
> - If the engine is out it's a good time to replace the rubber mounting
> doughnuts. (more money)
> - If the engine is out, it's a good time to re-plumb the cooling system,
> ala John Taphorn/Dave Bell's method. (more money and some creative work in
> the engine bay)
> - Might as well remove the A/C parts for now since they aren't being used.
>
> So I look at all this and it just doesn't seem practical. But I get that
> darn thundering clapping sound from a good strong V8 engine in my bones and
> "practicality" begins to get awfully transparent.
>
> Bless me father for I have sinned... I have lust for more horsepower and
> coveted my neighbors ponies.
>
> Asa Jay ****
>
> & Shelley Marie****
>
> Spokane, WA****
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> ****************************** ****
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> http://www.racingagainstautism.com****
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> http://www.teampanteraracing.com****
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> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism****
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>
> On 12/3/2011 1:48 PM, David in Durango wrote: ****
>
> So, you have a "spare" for the Pantera? Hot motor? (well, usable).****
>
> ****
>
> Swap them out! If you have some emotional attachment to the Pantera
> motor, use it for the dream rebuild "next winter" [1] and have some fun in
> the mean time. I've heard the Pope would donate labor for 3-4 days if he
> had a place to stay and beer/pizza rations. That way, if you dropped
> something big, you would have back up! Hell, he might even deliver your
> new wheels, too.****
>
> ****
>
> Or you could sit on the porch while the big dawgs play . . . . . ****
>
> ****
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> Morally unemployed,****
>
> David in Durango****
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> [1] next winter = appropriate economic time****
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> ----- Original Message ----- ****
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> *From:* Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> ****
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> *To:* tpr at teampanteraracing.com ****
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> *Sent:* Saturday, December 03, 2011 2:10 PM****
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> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] What we are about . . . .****
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> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh.........
>
> The more I -SIT- here and dwell on it.....
> The more I want to put the 351C from the Mach I into the Pantera.....
> nnnnnnngh......
> I know I could have it done in a couple weekends....
> rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh........
> It's winter........
> I'm not driving the car......
> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmph................
> Must.... resist.... temptation.
>
> If I take that engine out of the Mustang... it'll be the death nell for
> the car and I can't have that.
>
> must.... resist....
>
> Asa Jay****
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired****
>
> & Shelley Marie****
>
> Spokane, WA****
>
> ****************************** ****
>
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com****
>
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com****
>
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism****
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> On 12/3/2011 12:20 PM, David in Durango wrote: ****
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIn0IOD9eEc&feature=related****
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> just in case you've forgotten.****
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