[TPR] No slackers here!

[Owen Lee Green]

Dennis that one I sent to you see if you can kick it up to everyone.

On Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 4:09 PM Owen Lee Green <oneeyez4263 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Are you really sure you want that story. It can get scary.
>
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 4:08 PM laurieferrari--- via TPR <
> tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote:
>
>> Absolutely I second Herr Peter.  He's the one who taught me about zee
>> birds and zee bees (with a German accent).  Not what you may be thinking..
>> it was when I was using velcro for my self made dash cover in Ely, and
>> didn't have the two correct sides connected to fit!   Peter's awesome!
>> Laurie
>>
>> PS:  Also need to contact Owen to get his life story, with his unique
>> sense of humor, should make for a good one.
>>
>> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 01:24:14 PM PDT, DENNIS ANTENUCCI via TPR <
>> tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>> [image: image0.jpeg]An even better comparison Asa, is right here in our
>> own team. I love Charlie but come on now…
>>
>> Some excellent examples are “the German” who has been battling  chronic
>> pain 24-7 for several years and yet he is running his movie set ranch still
>> and currently re-painting his Pantera. See photo update.
>>
>> If the chronic pain isnt a  challenge enough then add in he is also doing
>> so in the desert near Joshua Tree at his White Horse Ranch where the entire
>> SW is in triple digits!
>>
>> Okay, then add in damn near all of us with either some daily chronic pain
>> issue and/or being treating for med issues. Hell, there is no short list
>> here…its everyone in our team. And no one giving up on live or love.
>>
>> But right now Asa, I am nominating Peter the German for the 2024  “SOB
>> BILL Memorial Award“.
>>
>> Do I have a second?
>>
>> ME, MD, & Dennis
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 5, 2024, at 10:38 AM, Asa Jay Laughton via TPR <
>> tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote:
>>
>>  If Charlie Friend can race a freakin’ full size street legal,
>> unmodified SUV and take home trophies, you guys need to regrow some
>> cojones, find a decent, solid car (or truck Ernie) and join us.  Give that
>> pilot a run for his money!
>>
>> Heck, I’ve even thought about racing my ZX2 with 290,000 miles on it.  I
>> drove it today in fact.  😁
>>
>> If you have a car that shares -any- letter with “Pantera” then you are
>> eligible to join our team.
>>
>> Get off the couch, outfit, load up, and spend some “Man Time” in the
>> field with your brothers in Christ.  You won’t regret it.
>>
>> Asa  Jay
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent via radio waves
>>
>> On Jun 5, 2024, at 09:18, DENNIS ANTENUCCI via TPR <
>> tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Yes of course!
>> 😂🤣
>> But what would make me even happier is seeing you and Dave return to just
>> hang with us. Because after so many years Asa or JB are reminding me if I
>> cant recruit more rookies I need to
>> RECYCLE the old ones. And working on Junior Wilson, Laurie Ferrari  and
>> Curt Toumanian to return.
>>
>> Btw, before I forget Laurie had a bad fall and while she is recovering
>> she has been a bad grumbling patient so reach out to her with a Get Well
>> greeting. When I call or email she yells at me!
>>
>> Haja
>> MD
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 5, 2024, at 7:33 AM, Larry Stock via TPR <
>> tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> You want us to cheat death one more time?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
>> *Date: *Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 11:07 PM
>> *To: *Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
>> *Cc: *David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>, Larry Stock via TPR <
>> tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>> *Subject: *Re: [TPR] Fwd: Silver State classic May 2012 240 MPH Fastest
>> car in USA Jim Peruto
>>
>>
>>
>> You Larry and the other slacker (CD#3) retired from ORR  racing way too
>> early. I may for your own good draft you back for Sept. your stories are
>> loosing relevance! HAHA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 4, 2024, at 9:08 PM, Larry Stock via TPR <
>> tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> You don’t need an 850 hp engine, Pantera’s are really, really fast with a
>> stock engine, they are just geared too low
>>
>> First grab a tall ring and Pinion to get installed, I used a 3.20 and a
>> .63 taller 5th gear. Use the reliable Torque not the high RPM HP
>>
>> I basically like to run a balanced and blueprinted Truck engine with 450
>> pounds of torque  of stock bore a stroke
>>
>> You will need a big air dam, mine have a splitter and carry over 500
>> pounds downforce without a wing
>>
>> I used Hoosiers that were tested to 210 mph after they passed all the
>> other speed rating certifications
>>
>> That’s some of the basics for starters
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
>> *Date: *Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 7:01 PM
>> *To: *David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>
>> *Cc: *Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>, Larry Stock via TPR <
>> tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>> *Subject: *Re: [TPR] Fwd: Silver State classic May 2012 240 MPH Fastest
>> car in USA Jim Peruto
>>
>>
>>
>> Damn Dave….between you and Larry I now need Asa to build me 850HP Engine.
>> My last engine builder (Russ Fulps) passed away in his shop. Luckily it
>> wasn’t my engine.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dawg looking for a volunteer to drive my Pantera at 200 MPH at SS in
>> Sept. Gonna add the ground effects, skip the 850HP big block and go 200 MPH
>> with 400 Hp.
>>
>>
>>
>> You said its possible right Larry?
>>
>>
>>
>> MD
>>
>>
>>
>> Ps ASA when are you finishing Chris’ Pantera?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 4, 2024, at 6:27 PM, David Carpenter via TPR <
>> tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Every car has different Aero.  Larry seems to have chosen some keen items
>> to ATTACK the OEM's deficits!!
>>
>> But, everything is relative!!
>>
>> *Larry's ride was running Beyond what the engineers designed it for!!*
>>
>>
>>
>> Larry has Cajones the factory engineers / test drivers lacked!!!
>>
>> LOLOLOLOL
>>
>>
>>
>> M&M car:
>>
>> SW Tour car.  Designed to spend it's time @ a max of maybe 125-130.
>>
>> Mike Borders, when he owned it: I think he finally made it to 185 mph a
>> couple times.
>>
>> When I bought it in 2003:
>>
>> I cut One inch off the rear deck spoiler, & laid it back 10 degrees.
>> (Less drag, & I was never gonna be slow in corners...didn't need that much
>> early downforce)
>>
>>
>>
>> All good with first engine we built.
>>
>> Plus me getting used to car.  In 1 1/2 yrs, that original LS1 engine we
>> built: Finally couldn't hold up as we passed 500 hp.
>>
>> The right side of block BLEW Out @ 180 mph.  Luckily, we were in hard
>> right hand corner!!  Rt side tires oiled up instantly, but LEFT TIRES doing
>> all the work at the time!!
>>
>> One month later, had a 540 ci / 800 hp engine. ( then @ Twin 50, Elko NV
>> ORR.)
>>
>> Car was great: cornered great:  But on straights, for first time I was in
>> mid 190's.
>>
>> Car felt like a tire going soft!!  Weaving around, handling LOOSE!!
>>
>> As I drove, I was puzzled!!
>>
>> Why does it corner great, but above 190 it gets sooo loose!!
>>
>>
>>
>> 2 days later back in Denver.  Explained it to Ernie:
>>
>> He instantly said:
>>
>> "You're getting too much air under car!!"
>>
>> Nose skirt was built.  Side skirts were twice as long!!
>>
>> Car was solid as a rock for next 6 yrs, even above 200!!  (Remember, orig
>> car wasn't made to run that speed...ever.)
>>
>> I was gonna make tunnels under rear.  Or do many other mods: but the need
>> disappeared!!
>>
>>
>>
>> Tires did smoke a few times. Big short track brakes, I almost never used
>> them hard: but a couple times, it got kinda wild!!
>>
>>
>>
>> Mostly tire surfaces looked 'MOTTLED'...some areas had some balled up
>> melted rubber.
>>
>> Mostly: they showed some deep scratches!!  Always my guess: a tiny sharp
>> little stone chip cut, when we got light on tires & spinning some.
>>
>> I never used tires twice in fast races.  I saved the best of those used
>> ones for SORC.
>>
>> Slower, you all know.  Road surface crowned, so cornering....near the
>> edge... you had to be careful!!
>>
>> On that last straight a few miles before North finish toward Dunning was
>> my fastest stretch.
>>
>> Undulating road means you better pay attention.   I DID look down @
>> Nordskog digital speedo I installed a couple times.
>>
>> 196 mph was what I saw last race on that stretch!!
>>
>> I remember WELL:
>>
>> because when I looked up...I was maybe 50 yards from a line of ducks
>> crossing the road!!!
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Ted Suthers!! (He & Jackie came from Battle Mtn to help Mike &
>> Marsha B.)
>>
>> He helped me clean the feathers off grill & brake duct screens @ Dunning
>> High school!!!
>>
>>
>>
>> "*Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction!!  We
>> didn't pass it on to our children in the bloodstream!  It must be
>> fought for, protected, & handed on to them to do the same, or one day we
>> will spend our sunset years telling our children & our children's children
>> what it was once like in the USA where men were Free!!*"
>>
>> *Ronald Reagan*
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 4, 2024 4:38:12 PM
>> *To:* DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>; Larry Stock via TPR <
>> tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>> *Cc:* David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] Fwd: Silver State classic May 2012 240 MPH Fastest
>> car in USA Jim Peruto
>>
>>
>>
>> Here is my Pantera mini Aero workshop course;
>>
>> That Cow Catcher air dam keeps the air from getting under the front end.
>> The Side skirts keeps the vacuum created by the air dam going thru to the
>> rear to also keep the rear sucked down. A maximum 7 degree rack angle also
>> helps by expanding the the air to keep the rear down-force, hence the 7
>> degree rear diffusers you often see many cars today. A wing under the car
>> creates a venturi effect of an additional low pressure zone under the car.
>> I would run one or two venturi wings under the Pantera creating a
>> calculated 4400-4700 pounds of downforce at only 85 MPH. Doing this with no
>> other changes to my Pantera out at Pahrump, a 2.6 mile, 9 turn road course,
>> I took 6 seconds off my 1:54 lap time by removing or installing just the
>> side skirts. My Pantera would get sucked down so hard and far that at 140
>> down the straights I would be clearing (grinding off my directional tabs)
>> at the rear frame crossmember that the rear sway bar mounts to, by less
>> than an inch. I didn’t do the downforce calculations, but it would be a
>> huge scary number, so for extended open road speeds, if you can take care
>> of the front end, at that speed, the rear end will take care of itself,
>> unless you get air under the front end. That’s where the center Venturi
>> wing and that rear spade NASCAR type flow inhibitor spoiler that you gave
>> me off your burned Pantera comes into the rear Anti-Lift equation and
>> balance. If you look head on at a F1 car, it’s all about flowing the air
>> through the car, with multiple wings and venturi’s inside the wheels
>> managing the air flow around the tires and cockpit. It is all about air
>> flow management to create downforce without increasing drag.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *TPR <tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com> on behalf of DENNIS
>> ANTENUCCI via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>> *Reply-To: *DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
>> *Date: *Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 1:53 PM
>> *To: *Larry Stock via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>> *Cc: *David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>
>> *Subject: *Re: [TPR] Fwd: Silver State classic May 2012 240 MPH Fastest
>> car in USA Jim Peruto
>>
>>
>>
>> I never noticed any benefit to side skirts. But that may explain why my
>> 550 HP little stroker did not go 200 MPH and yours did with 400 HP. That
>> cow catching air damn slowed me down 30 MPH.
>>
>> Haha
>>
>>
>>
>> MD
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 4, 2024, at 12:45 PM, Larry Stock via TPR <
>> tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Did I see side Skirts on The Dawg Pantera? They looked relatively half
>> shortened, gaping open to the road surface.
>>
>>
>>
>> The skirts gave me too much down force and too much negative camber at
>> speed with too much inside tire temperature. For SSC speed runs, I took the
>> skirts off, offering less drag, 10.2 MPG at 150 average, 4400 rpm, cruising
>> speed, and capable of 200+ MPH with 3:20 gears and a stockish 400 HP
>> Cleveland. (no strokers here).
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
>> *Date: *Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 11:24 AM
>> *To: *Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
>> *Cc: *Larry Stock via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>, David Carpenter <
>> davecarp80138 at outlook.com>
>> *Subject: *Re: [TPR] Fwd: Silver State classic May 2012 240 MPH Fastest
>> car in USA Jim Peruto
>>
>>
>>
>> I did the same road testing with my aero mods on the OC toll road near my
>> home in Huntington Beach back when it first opened and there was no using
>> it at 6 am on a weekend. Of course it did not replicate the high desert on
>> the H-318 but still Dick Drenske and I went out and we ran between two on-
>> ramps  to check trafficband then he sat on one gave me the okay signal via
>> radio to run the Pantera. From that yesterday run we added some mods to
>> Hall Pantera’s air damn which at speed was a huge improvement at speed
>> (above 150). That was Second best improvement after adding positive caster
>> to the front suspension. More so going to 7+ on Woods A arms.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 4, 2024, at 9:23 AM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Just take one step at a time, know your limits, then push those limits. -
>> Test and Hide -
>>
>> I tested on a nearby stretch of Nevada highway early on Sunday Mornings,
>> when the NHP are still sleepy.
>>
>> I had a fellow Red Pantera Owner who restored his Pantera and used my
>> Painter to paint his Pantera Red just like mine. He said that the first 4
>> times he went across that highway stretch that he was pulled over, and had
>> to explain that you don’t want this Red Pantera, you want the Red Pantera
>> from the other side of the Valley, The One You Can’t Catch.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *TPR <tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com> on behalf of DENNIS
>> ANTENUCCI via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>> *Reply-To: *DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
>> *Date: *Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 8:54 AM
>> *To: *Larry Stock via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>> *Cc: *David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>
>> *Subject: *Re: [TPR] Fwd: Silver State classic May 2012 240 MPH Fastest
>> car in USA Jim Peruto
>>
>>
>>
>> Larry,
>>
>> You’ve come up with innovative modifications to go fast and improve aero
>> at speed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Not to scare Cory and Chris or any other potential rookies in these
>> horror stories we are sharing like comparing old scars everyone remember to
>> run Touring or even Grand Touring as long as your head is in the game its
>> like a Sunday drive. One to be enjoyed.
>>
>>
>>
>> MD & Dennis
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 4, 2024, at 7:59 AM, Larry Stock via TPR <
>> tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I have always had an eye for Air Management under the car to keep as much
>> original appearance as possible. Since I’m on the 6’2” large size, I had
>> dropped floor pans installed, and since we were set up at the lower
>> designed ride height, I drug my butt a lot. So, I installed our own plastic
>> skid pads and we protect the seat mounting bolts with our design of a short
>> ¼” thick U channel to drill and tap that we mount the seats in with. This
>> short ¼” deep channel for seat bolt threads became solid filled with the
>> concrete from the Bridge. I don’t think we had an inch between our butt
>> cheeks and hard concrete impacting at 155MPH. The concrete is probably
>> still there imbedded into the seat rails.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
>> *Date: *Monday, June 3, 2024 at 6:56 PM
>> *To: *Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
>> *Cc: *David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>, Team Racing <
>> tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>> *Subject: *Re: [TPR] Fwd: Silver State classic May 2012 240 MPH Fastest
>> car in USA Jim Peruto
>>
>>
>>
>> Haha Larry….yea JB and I were there running with ya at the Pony
>> Express…so what 4-points did you have a problem with? I mean besides the
>> lack of Brazilian Girls at Battle Mountain.
>>
>> Haha
>>
>>
>>
>> Dawg, MD
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 3, 2024, at 1:40 PM, Larry Stock via TPR <
>> tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> We installed an intercom, since to yell at each other, I had to slow to
>> under 140, and when you realize how far you travel at that speed we change
>> zip codes to write a short note of “What was that?”
>>
>>
>>
>> Can’t here the road noise at that speed, that’s all behind you, it’s just
>> the wind noise coming at you that you hear. When your airborne, it’s still
>> just the wind, but with a little horizon attitude amplification, and then
>> the camera goes to snow upon the 14 point landing impact, that’s how we
>> knew we stuck the landing. Oh yeah, the 14 points were, 4 tires and 10 hard
>> chassis points including 4 of the underside of our seat rails where the
>> concrete was imbedded into the U-Channel seat fastening rails. You tend to
>> feel those 4 points much more than the others.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *TPR <tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com> on behalf of David
>> Carpenter via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>> *Reply-To: *David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>
>> *Date: *Monday, June 3, 2024 at 1:18 PM
>> *To: *Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <
>> teampantera at yahoo.com>, Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>> *Subject: *Re: [TPR] Fwd: Silver State classic May 2012 240 MPH Fastest
>> car in USA Jim Peruto
>>
>>
>>
>> Love to see videos if you find them.
>>
>> At high speed, it gets pretty noisy in car.
>>
>> Airborne:  everything gets QUIET!!!
>>
>>
>>
>> Only for a second or two!!!!
>>
>> Very few would understand what is happening!!!
>>
>> At speed, it could be just an inch, but distance traveled can be kinda
>> wild!!!
>>
>> DC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "*Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction!!  We
>> didn't pass it on to our children in the bloodstream!  It must be
>> fought for, protected, & handed on to them to do the same, or one day we
>> will spend our sunset years telling our children & our children's children
>> what it was once like in the USA where men were Free!!*"
>>
>> *Ronald Reagan*
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> *From:* TPR <tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com> on behalf of Larry Stock
>> via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 3, 2024 1:37:41 PM
>> *To:* DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>; Team Racing <
>> tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] Fwd: Silver State classic May 2012 240 MPH Fastest
>> car in USA Jim Peruto
>>
>>
>>
>> These SSC 200 MPH video’s are sparking a flame under me, sorry I’ve been
>> so quite, but I’ve been under the weather after visiting my Daughter in
>> Denver a week ago. I haven’t had a cold since January of 2020. But, After
>> viewing these 200MPH video’s, I should figure out where my in-car Video’s
>> went and try to figure out how to post them. Two come to mind, of course
>> when we pulled up on the K&N Hennessy Viper at 202MPH, (I was radared
>> unofficially at 194 while going away) and when we went airborne at 155 at
>> the bridge crossing at the Pont Express.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *TPR <tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com> on behalf of DENNIS
>> ANTENUCCI via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>> *Reply-To: *DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
>> *Date: *Sunday, June 2, 2024 at 11:32 AM
>> *To: *Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>> *Subject: *[TPR] Fwd: Silver State classic May 2012 240 MPH Fastest car
>> in USA Jim Peruto
>>
>>
>>
>> Cool read!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> *From:* David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>
>> *Date:* June 2, 2024 at 7:24:21 AM PDT
>> *To:* Dennis & Mary Antonucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>, Asa Jay <
>> asajay at asajay.com>, Dale Carpenter <dcarpenter17 at twcny.rr.com>, Judy
>> Carpenter <judyacarpenter at me.com>, Chris Terp <chris at theseminargroup.net>
>> *Subject:* *Silver State classic May 2012    240 MPH Fastest  car in
>> USA  Jim Peruto*
>>
>> 
>>
>> https://youtube.com/watch?v=jua9p_FHpQE&si=zPFlEaD4he6PSyGN
>>
>> Jim may have been in the 250 mph range.  Long straight, slight downhill.
>>  Known to be a smooth section.
>>
>>
>>
>> *"We must all hang together, or, most assuredly, we will hang
>> seperately!"*
>>
>> Benjamin Franklin, in regards to Unity & Strength in Declaration of
>> Independence.
>>
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