[TPR] No slackers here!

Owen Lee Green oneeyez4263 at gmail.com
Mon Jun 10 16:09:44 PDT 2024


Are you really sure you want that story. It can get scary.

On Mon, Jun 10, 2024, 4:08 PM laurieferrari--- via TPR <
tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote:

> Absolutely I second Herr Peter.  He's the one who taught me about zee
> birds and zee bees (with a German accent).  Not what you may be thinking..
> it was when I was using velcro for my self made dash cover in Ely, and
> didn't have the two correct sides connected to fit!   Peter's awesome!
> Laurie
>
> PS:  Also need to contact Owen to get his life story, with his unique
> sense of humor, should make for a good one.
>
> On Monday, June 10, 2024 at 01:24:14 PM PDT, DENNIS ANTENUCCI via TPR <
> tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote:
>
>
> 
> [image: image0.jpeg]An even better comparison Asa, is right here in our
> own team. I love Charlie but come on now…
>
> Some excellent examples are “the German” who has been battling  chronic
> pain 24-7 for several years and yet he is running his movie set ranch still
> and currently re-painting his Pantera. See photo update.
>
> If the chronic pain isnt a  challenge enough then add in he is also doing
> so in the desert near Joshua Tree at his White Horse Ranch where the entire
> SW is in triple digits!
>
> Okay, then add in damn near all of us with either some daily chronic pain
> issue and/or being treating for med issues. Hell, there is no short list
> here…its everyone in our team. And no one giving up on live or love.
>
> But right now Asa, I am nominating Peter the German for the 2024  “SOB
> BILL Memorial Award“.
>
> Do I have a second?
>
> ME, MD, & Dennis
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 5, 2024, at 10:38 AM, Asa Jay Laughton via TPR <
> tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote:
>
>  If Charlie Friend can race a freakin’ full size street legal, unmodified
> SUV and take home trophies, you guys need to regrow some cojones, find a
> decent, solid car (or truck Ernie) and join us.  Give that pilot a run for
> his money!
>
> Heck, I’ve even thought about racing my ZX2 with 290,000 miles on it.  I
> drove it today in fact.  😁
>
> If you have a car that shares -any- letter with “Pantera” then you are
> eligible to join our team.
>
> Get off the couch, outfit, load up, and spend some “Man Time” in the field
> with your brothers in Christ.  You won’t regret it.
>
> Asa  Jay
>
>
>
> Sent via radio waves
>
> On Jun 5, 2024, at 09:18, DENNIS ANTENUCCI via TPR <
> tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote:
>
>  Yes of course!
> 😂🤣
> But what would make me even happier is seeing you and Dave return to just
> hang with us. Because after so many years Asa or JB are reminding me if I
> cant recruit more rookies I need to
> RECYCLE the old ones. And working on Junior Wilson, Laurie Ferrari  and
> Curt Toumanian to return.
>
> Btw, before I forget Laurie had a bad fall and while she is recovering she
> has been a bad grumbling patient so reach out to her with a Get Well
> greeting. When I call or email she yells at me!
>
> Haja
> MD
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 5, 2024, at 7:33 AM, Larry Stock via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> You want us to cheat death one more time?
>
>
>
> *From: *DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 11:07 PM
> *To: *Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
> *Cc: *David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>, Larry Stock via TPR <
> tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [TPR] Fwd: Silver State classic May 2012 240 MPH Fastest
> car in USA Jim Peruto
>
>
>
> You Larry and the other slacker (CD#3) retired from ORR  racing way too
> early. I may for your own good draft you back for Sept. your stories are
> loosing relevance! HAHA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Jun 4, 2024, at 9:08 PM, Larry Stock via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> You don’t need an 850 hp engine, Pantera’s are really, really fast with a
> stock engine, they are just geared too low
>
> First grab a tall ring and Pinion to get installed, I used a 3.20 and a
> .63 taller 5th gear. Use the reliable Torque not the high RPM HP
>
> I basically like to run a balanced and blueprinted Truck engine with 450
> pounds of torque  of stock bore a stroke
>
> You will need a big air dam, mine have a splitter and carry over 500
> pounds downforce without a wing
>
> I used Hoosiers that were tested to 210 mph after they passed all the
> other speed rating certifications
>
> That’s some of the basics for starters
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 7:01 PM
> *To: *David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>
> *Cc: *Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>, Larry Stock via TPR <
> tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [TPR] Fwd: Silver State classic May 2012 240 MPH Fastest
> car in USA Jim Peruto
>
>
>
> Damn Dave….between you and Larry I now need Asa to build me 850HP Engine.
> My last engine builder (Russ Fulps) passed away in his shop. Luckily it
> wasn’t my engine.
>
>
>
> Dawg looking for a volunteer to drive my Pantera at 200 MPH at SS in Sept.
> Gonna add the ground effects, skip the 850HP big block and go 200 MPH with
> 400 Hp.
>
>
>
> You said its possible right Larry?
>
>
>
> MD
>
>
>
> Ps ASA when are you finishing Chris’ Pantera?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 4, 2024, at 6:27 PM, David Carpenter via TPR <
> tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Every car has different Aero.  Larry seems to have chosen some keen items
> to ATTACK the OEM's deficits!!
>
> But, everything is relative!!
>
> *Larry's ride was running Beyond what the engineers designed it for!!*
>
>
>
> Larry has Cajones the factory engineers / test drivers lacked!!!
>
> LOLOLOLOL
>
>
>
> M&M car:
>
> SW Tour car.  Designed to spend it's time @ a max of maybe 125-130.
>
> Mike Borders, when he owned it: I think he finally made it to 185 mph a
> couple times.
>
> When I bought it in 2003:
>
> I cut One inch off the rear deck spoiler, & laid it back 10 degrees. (Less
> drag, & I was never gonna be slow in corners...didn't need that much early
> downforce)
>
>
>
> All good with first engine we built.
>
> Plus me getting used to car.  In 1 1/2 yrs, that original LS1 engine we
> built: Finally couldn't hold up as we passed 500 hp.
>
> The right side of block BLEW Out @ 180 mph.  Luckily, we were in hard
> right hand corner!!  Rt side tires oiled up instantly, but LEFT TIRES doing
> all the work at the time!!
>
> One month later, had a 540 ci / 800 hp engine. ( then @ Twin 50, Elko NV
> ORR.)
>
> Car was great: cornered great:  But on straights, for first time I was in
> mid 190's.
>
> Car felt like a tire going soft!!  Weaving around, handling LOOSE!!
>
> As I drove, I was puzzled!!
>
> Why does it corner great, but above 190 it gets sooo loose!!
>
>
>
> 2 days later back in Denver.  Explained it to Ernie:
>
> He instantly said:
>
> "You're getting too much air under car!!"
>
> Nose skirt was built.  Side skirts were twice as long!!
>
> Car was solid as a rock for next 6 yrs, even above 200!!  (Remember, orig
> car wasn't made to run that speed...ever.)
>
> I was gonna make tunnels under rear.  Or do many other mods: but the need
> disappeared!!
>
>
>
> Tires did smoke a few times. Big short track brakes, I almost never used
> them hard: but a couple times, it got kinda wild!!
>
>
>
> Mostly tire surfaces looked 'MOTTLED'...some areas had some balled up
> melted rubber.
>
> Mostly: they showed some deep scratches!!  Always my guess: a tiny sharp
> little stone chip cut, when we got light on tires & spinning some.
>
> I never used tires twice in fast races.  I saved the best of those used
> ones for SORC.
>
> Slower, you all know.  Road surface crowned, so cornering....near the
> edge... you had to be careful!!
>
> On that last straight a few miles before North finish toward Dunning was
> my fastest stretch.
>
> Undulating road means you better pay attention.   I DID look down @
> Nordskog digital speedo I installed a couple times.
>
> 196 mph was what I saw last race on that stretch!!
>
> I remember WELL:
>
> because when I looked up...I was maybe 50 yards from a line of ducks
> crossing the road!!!
>
>
>
> Thanks Ted Suthers!! (He & Jackie came from Battle Mtn to help Mike &
> Marsha B.)
>
> He helped me clean the feathers off grill & brake duct screens @ Dunning
> High school!!!
>
>
>
> "*Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction!!  We
> didn't pass it on to our children in the bloodstream!  It must be
> fought for, protected, & handed on to them to do the same, or one day we
> will spend our sunset years telling our children & our children's children
> what it was once like in the USA where men were Free!!*"
>
> *Ronald Reagan*
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 4, 2024 4:38:12 PM
> *To:* DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>; Larry Stock via TPR <
> tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> *Cc:* David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] Fwd: Silver State classic May 2012 240 MPH Fastest
> car in USA Jim Peruto
>
>
>
> Here is my Pantera mini Aero workshop course;
>
> That Cow Catcher air dam keeps the air from getting under the front end.
> The Side skirts keeps the vacuum created by the air dam going thru to the
> rear to also keep the rear sucked down. A maximum 7 degree rack angle also
> helps by expanding the the air to keep the rear down-force, hence the 7
> degree rear diffusers you often see many cars today. A wing under the car
> creates a venturi effect of an additional low pressure zone under the car.
> I would run one or two venturi wings under the Pantera creating a
> calculated 4400-4700 pounds of downforce at only 85 MPH. Doing this with no
> other changes to my Pantera out at Pahrump, a 2.6 mile, 9 turn road course,
> I took 6 seconds off my 1:54 lap time by removing or installing just the
> side skirts. My Pantera would get sucked down so hard and far that at 140
> down the straights I would be clearing (grinding off my directional tabs)
> at the rear frame crossmember that the rear sway bar mounts to, by less
> than an inch. I didn’t do the downforce calculations, but it would be a
> huge scary number, so for extended open road speeds, if you can take care
> of the front end, at that speed, the rear end will take care of itself,
> unless you get air under the front end. That’s where the center Venturi
> wing and that rear spade NASCAR type flow inhibitor spoiler that you gave
> me off your burned Pantera comes into the rear Anti-Lift equation and
> balance. If you look head on at a F1 car, it’s all about flowing the air
> through the car, with multiple wings and venturi’s inside the wheels
> managing the air flow around the tires and cockpit. It is all about air
> flow management to create downforce without increasing drag.
>
> Larry
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *TPR <tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com> on behalf of DENNIS
> ANTENUCCI via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> *Reply-To: *DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 1:53 PM
> *To: *Larry Stock via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> *Cc: *David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [TPR] Fwd: Silver State classic May 2012 240 MPH Fastest
> car in USA Jim Peruto
>
>
>
> I never noticed any benefit to side skirts. But that may explain why my
> 550 HP little stroker did not go 200 MPH and yours did with 400 HP. That
> cow catching air damn slowed me down 30 MPH.
>
> Haha
>
>
>
> MD
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Jun 4, 2024, at 12:45 PM, Larry Stock via TPR <
> tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Did I see side Skirts on The Dawg Pantera? They looked relatively half
> shortened, gaping open to the road surface.
>
>
>
> The skirts gave me too much down force and too much negative camber at
> speed with too much inside tire temperature. For SSC speed runs, I took the
> skirts off, offering less drag, 10.2 MPG at 150 average, 4400 rpm, cruising
> speed, and capable of 200+ MPH with 3:20 gears and a stockish 400 HP
> Cleveland. (no strokers here).
>
>
>
> *From: *DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 11:24 AM
> *To: *Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
> *Cc: *Larry Stock via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>, David Carpenter <
> davecarp80138 at outlook.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [TPR] Fwd: Silver State classic May 2012 240 MPH Fastest
> car in USA Jim Peruto
>
>
>
> I did the same road testing with my aero mods on the OC toll road near my
> home in Huntington Beach back when it first opened and there was no using
> it at 6 am on a weekend. Of course it did not replicate the high desert on
> the H-318 but still Dick Drenske and I went out and we ran between two on-
> ramps  to check trafficband then he sat on one gave me the okay signal via
> radio to run the Pantera. From that yesterday run we added some mods to
> Hall Pantera’s air damn which at speed was a huge improvement at speed
> (above 150). That was Second best improvement after adding positive caster
> to the front suspension. More so going to 7+ on Woods A arms.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 4, 2024, at 9:23 AM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Just take one step at a time, know your limits, then push those limits. -
> Test and Hide -
>
> I tested on a nearby stretch of Nevada highway early on Sunday Mornings,
> when the NHP are still sleepy.
>
> I had a fellow Red Pantera Owner who restored his Pantera and used my
> Painter to paint his Pantera Red just like mine. He said that the first 4
> times he went across that highway stretch that he was pulled over, and had
> to explain that you don’t want this Red Pantera, you want the Red Pantera
> from the other side of the Valley, The One You Can’t Catch.
>
>
>
> *From: *TPR <tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com> on behalf of DENNIS
> ANTENUCCI via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> *Reply-To: *DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 8:54 AM
> *To: *Larry Stock via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> *Cc: *David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [TPR] Fwd: Silver State classic May 2012 240 MPH Fastest
> car in USA Jim Peruto
>
>
>
> Larry,
>
> You’ve come up with innovative modifications to go fast and improve aero
> at speed.
>
>
>
> Not to scare Cory and Chris or any other potential rookies in these horror
> stories we are sharing like comparing old scars everyone remember to run
> Touring or even Grand Touring as long as your head is in the game its like
> a Sunday drive. One to be enjoyed.
>
>
>
> MD & Dennis
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 4, 2024, at 7:59 AM, Larry Stock via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> I have always had an eye for Air Management under the car to keep as much
> original appearance as possible. Since I’m on the 6’2” large size, I had
> dropped floor pans installed, and since we were set up at the lower
> designed ride height, I drug my butt a lot. So, I installed our own plastic
> skid pads and we protect the seat mounting bolts with our design of a short
> ¼” thick U channel to drill and tap that we mount the seats in with. This
> short ¼” deep channel for seat bolt threads became solid filled with the
> concrete from the Bridge. I don’t think we had an inch between our butt
> cheeks and hard concrete impacting at 155MPH. The concrete is probably
> still there imbedded into the seat rails.
>
> Larry
>
>
>
> *From: *DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> *Date: *Monday, June 3, 2024 at 6:56 PM
> *To: *Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
> *Cc: *David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>, Team Racing <
> tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [TPR] Fwd: Silver State classic May 2012 240 MPH Fastest
> car in USA Jim Peruto
>
>
>
> Haha Larry….yea JB and I were there running with ya at the Pony Express…so
> what 4-points did you have a problem with? I mean besides the lack of
> Brazilian Girls at Battle Mountain.
>
> Haha
>
>
>
> Dawg, MD
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 3, 2024, at 1:40 PM, Larry Stock via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> We installed an intercom, since to yell at each other, I had to slow to
> under 140, and when you realize how far you travel at that speed we change
> zip codes to write a short note of “What was that?”
>
>
>
> Can’t here the road noise at that speed, that’s all behind you, it’s just
> the wind noise coming at you that you hear. When your airborne, it’s still
> just the wind, but with a little horizon attitude amplification, and then
> the camera goes to snow upon the 14 point landing impact, that’s how we
> knew we stuck the landing. Oh yeah, the 14 points were, 4 tires and 10 hard
> chassis points including 4 of the underside of our seat rails where the
> concrete was imbedded into the U-Channel seat fastening rails. You tend to
> feel those 4 points much more than the others.
>
> Larry
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *TPR <tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com> on behalf of David
> Carpenter via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> *Reply-To: *David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>
> *Date: *Monday, June 3, 2024 at 1:18 PM
> *To: *Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <
> teampantera at yahoo.com>, Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [TPR] Fwd: Silver State classic May 2012 240 MPH Fastest
> car in USA Jim Peruto
>
>
>
> Love to see videos if you find them.
>
> At high speed, it gets pretty noisy in car.
>
> Airborne:  everything gets QUIET!!!
>
>
>
> Only for a second or two!!!!
>
> Very few would understand what is happening!!!
>
> At speed, it could be just an inch, but distance traveled can be kinda
> wild!!!
>
> DC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "*Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction!!  We
> didn't pass it on to our children in the bloodstream!  It must be
> fought for, protected, & handed on to them to do the same, or one day we
> will spend our sunset years telling our children & our children's children
> what it was once like in the USA where men were Free!!*"
>
> *Ronald Reagan*
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* TPR <tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com> on behalf of Larry Stock
> via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, June 3, 2024 1:37:41 PM
> *To:* DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>; Team Racing <
> tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] Fwd: Silver State classic May 2012 240 MPH Fastest
> car in USA Jim Peruto
>
>
>
> These SSC 200 MPH video’s are sparking a flame under me, sorry I’ve been
> so quite, but I’ve been under the weather after visiting my Daughter in
> Denver a week ago. I haven’t had a cold since January of 2020. But, After
> viewing these 200MPH video’s, I should figure out where my in-car Video’s
> went and try to figure out how to post them. Two come to mind, of course
> when we pulled up on the K&N Hennessy Viper at 202MPH, (I was radared
> unofficially at 194 while going away) and when we went airborne at 155 at
> the bridge crossing at the Pont Express.
>
> Larry
>
>
>
> *From: *TPR <tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com> on behalf of DENNIS
> ANTENUCCI via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> *Reply-To: *DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> *Date: *Sunday, June 2, 2024 at 11:32 AM
> *To: *Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> *Subject: *[TPR] Fwd: Silver State classic May 2012 240 MPH Fastest car
> in USA Jim Peruto
>
>
>
> Cool read!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From:* David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>
> *Date:* June 2, 2024 at 7:24:21 AM PDT
> *To:* Dennis & Mary Antonucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>, Asa Jay <
> asajay at asajay.com>, Dale Carpenter <dcarpenter17 at twcny.rr.com>, Judy
> Carpenter <judyacarpenter at me.com>, Chris Terp <chris at theseminargroup.net>
> *Subject:* *Silver State classic May 2012    240 MPH Fastest  car in USA
> Jim Peruto*
>
> 
>
> https://youtube.com/watch?v=jua9p_FHpQE&si=zPFlEaD4he6PSyGN
>
> Jim may have been in the 250 mph range.  Long straight, slight downhill.
>  Known to be a smooth section.
>
>
>
> *"We must all hang together, or, most assuredly, we will hang seperately!"*
>
> Benjamin Franklin, in regards to Unity & Strength in Declaration of
> Independence.
>
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