[TPR] Bent a push rod???

Sun Jul 22 12:16:27 PDT 2012

Sooooooooo......
that would just put the rest of is in good company, all racing like 
chickens with our heads cut off to ACTUALLY GET THE CAR READY.

Seriously, I pray it's not something serious, but never know.  If you 
bent a pushrod, there's usually a reason behind it, like a valve hitting 
a piston, which means more work.  If it was just busting a rocker arm... 
you might get lucky with just replacing one part.  Get your head wrench 
over there fast to make an assessment, then get Russ on the phone for 
further consultation.

BTW.... it's not like we missed the comment about your Mom.
Dude, you've got issues.  ;)

Asa Jay

Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
&  Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
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On 7/22/2012 11:51 AM, Teampantera wrote:
> THANKS bro'....I am just the dumb ass star driver. And I am not allowed to touch anything in the engine ;-)
> so I will wait for my head wrench to  show up and dignose what the problem is... although I have to admit this is not my first experience bending perfectly good parts.........just been lucky with Russ that nothing has broke in 6 years but better to break it here then 7 miles into Silver State...perhaps an opportunity to have Russ build a race engine that makes 700+ Hp...yea everything happens for a.reason...yea right HAHAHA
>
> David in Durango<adin at frontier.net>  wrote:
>
>> Poo, that's bad news!  I have a set of 3/8" 8.4 long used pushrods and guide
>> plates if you can use them.
>>
>> Neighbors?  If they keep me up at night, they get up when I do.
>>
>> If you had one more fat old man drinking beer, this wouldn't happen . . . .
>>
>> Keep us posted?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Teampantera"<teampantera at yahoo.com>
>> To: "Asa Jay Laughton"<asajay at asajay.com>;<tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 12:24 PM
>> Subject: [TPR] Bent a push rod???
>>
>>
>>> Ever have one of those days where you wish you had NOT got out of bed?
>>>
>>> Larry 'the Falcon' came over Saturday and we worked on the Pantera 3-4
>>> hours....okay we just backed it out of the garage, started it and then
>>> drank beer and leered at neighbor women walking by in inappropriate
>>> short-shorts, answering tech questions about how fast the Pantera really
>>> was....you know where I answer,
>>>
>>> "With me driving or Mario Andretti driving?"
>>>
>>> Anyway on to Sunday....I wake up @ 4AM and can't fall back asleep and
>>> immediately realize in horror that  I am sleeping with my mom so I got up
>>> quickly, got dressed and went out to the garage. I waited until I was
>>> certain the neighbors were awake (5:30AM) and started ItBWild and headed
>>> the 5 miles to PCH (Hwy 1) headed south towards San Diego when I heard
>>> then saw in my rear view mirror a beat up 66 Chevy Nova....he passed me
>>> near Laguna Beach and I stayed behind him onto the Laguna Canyon road
>>> which twists back up to I-405. When I had a spot to pass him I downshifted
>>> and hit the throttle blowing by him (yea he let me) but as I went around
>>> him and lifted on throttle I heard some noise like a lifter..
>>> GAAAAAAAW
>>>
>>> I threw it in neutral and pulled over and shut down..the guy inthe Nova
>>> behind me....we looked for any fluid loss and after about 5 minutes I
>>> restarted and hearing the knocking immediiately shut down again ( yea I
>>> had good oil pressure).  Called AAA and got a flatbed coming to pick me up
>>>
>>> In meantime the Nova hot rod owner and I share some history...he is
>>> running a built 396 and said he had it on rolllers and that it made 400 hp
>>> at rear wheels...in meantime tow flatbed shows up and brings Pantera back
>>> home.....now its 8am and neighbors are gawking and sneering that look of
>>> "THATS WOT YOU DEAERVE FOR WAKING US UP!"
>>>
>>> Will pull valve covers and get Dick Drenske over this afternoon for
>>> 'damage assessment'
>>>
>>> Yea may have over revved but was supposed to have had rev limitor set at
>>> 6300 too so not sure yet what happened.
>>>
>>> Asa Jay Laughton<asajay at asajay.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> At the risk of inviting more advice that will prolong this agony...
>>>>
>>>> Here are the photos of the Plastigage results:
>>>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=5416
>>>>
>>>> I'm off to Napa to buy some gaskets.
>>>> Asa Jay
>>>>
>>>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>>>> &   Shelley Marie
>>>> Spokane, WA
>>>> ******************************
>>>> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>>>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>>>> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/21/2012 10:32 AM, David in Durango wrote:
>>>>> OR (probably not recommended?)
>>>>> One could think that .003 is very close to .0028 and call that close
>>>>> enough
>>>>> with a HV oil pump (or not).
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems a hill billy approach?  if the crank is already .010 under I'd
>>>>> think
>>>>> about not turning it to .020 - but that's my personal hangup.
>>>>>
>>>>> Time for a Baconater and a Modelo Especial . . . .   We don't want any
>>>>> egg
>>>>> shaped main jounals!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Asa Jay Laughton"<asajay at asajay.com>
>>>>> To:<tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 9:05 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [TPR] Asa's Engine rebuild update
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone?
>>>>>> JB, any opinion on the use of shim stock to tighten up the tolerance on
>>>>>> the main bearings?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Asa Jay
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>>>>>> &    Shelley Marie
>>>>>> Spokane, WA
>>>>>> ******************************
>>>>>> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>>>>>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>>>>>> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 7/20/2012 8:29 PM, Asa Jay Laughton wrote:
>>>>>>> Not much done tonight.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Reviewed the Plastigage.  0.003 clearance on all mains.  Spec calls
>>>>>>> for 0.001-0.0015 Desired, with 0.0028 being max allowable.  Sounds
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> I should probably shim and can get it from Napa.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alrighty then, it's been over 25 years since I shimmed a crank.  I've
>>>>>>> lost the knowledge, but know it can be done.  I'm looking for expert
>>>>>>> pointers on this... Russ???
>>>>>>> - Shim both bearing halves or just one?
>>>>>>> - How?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Took inventory of gaskets.  Need intake, front cover, oil pan, front
>>>>>>> main seal, one head gasket (will probably buy two just for good
>>>>>>> measure).  Rest of rod bearings did -not- show up today (darnit).
>>>>>>> Break-in oil did though.  I also have three bottles of assembly lube,
>>>>>>> will use it liberally on all parts, mains, rods, cylinders, cam,
>>>>>>> lifters, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gotta get'er done.
>>>>>>> Asa Jay
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>>>>>>> &     Shelley Marie
>>>>>>> Spokane, WA
>>>>>>> ******************************
>>>>>>> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>>>>>>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>>>>>>> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/20/2012 6:41 AM, Asa Jay Laughton wrote:
>>>>>>>> Oh, you're way ahead of me... :)   I'll have to move fast to catch
>>>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Asa Jay
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>>>>>>>> &      Shelley Marie
>>>>>>>> Spokane, WA
>>>>>>>> ******************************
>>>>>>>> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>>>>>>>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>>>>>>>> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/19/2012 9:44 PM, David wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Well, dang. Asa Jay may(?) catch and pass me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Since the lift debacle: flywheel installed, clutch installed, ZF
>>>>>>>>> mated
>>>>>>>>> to Cleveland (never thought I'd see that again, balance point
>>>>>>>>> determined ( pulled the ZF separately - not recommended).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Still plenty to do before the stab.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 2012, at 10:33 PM, Asa Jay Laughton<asajay at asajay.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - Cleaned the crank with a 0.22 caliber boresnake.  No residue.
>>>>>>>>>> Blew
>>>>>>>>>> out with compressed air.
>>>>>>>>>> - Honed the cylinders, put a pretty good cross-hatch in there
>>>>>>>>>> (amazing
>>>>>>>>>> how smooth and shiny the cylinders actually were before honing.)
>>>>>>>>>> - Cleaned, scrubbed the block with clean rags, brushes where
>>>>>>>>>> possible
>>>>>>>>>> and blew out with compressed air.
>>>>>>>>>> - Placed main bearings -dry-, with crank and Plastigage.  Torqued
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> spec using ARP assembly lube.  Will let sit overnight and check
>>>>>>>>>> readings
>>>>>>>>>> tomorrow.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - Waiting on balance of rod bearings.
>>>>>>>>>> - Will probably assembly new rings to pistons tomorrow but may need
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> hold off piston insertion until rod bearings arrive.
>>>>>>>>>> - May be able to install cam/lifters and spring/spider assembly
>>>>>>>>>> (holds
>>>>>>>>>> the roller lifters in place) this weekend.
>>>>>>>>>> - May be able to assemble timing gear set (Pete Jackson quiet gear
>>>>>>>>>> drive) and front cover too.  We'll see how it goes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> - I should really pull the radiator this weekend too, in order to
>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>>>>>> how bad it is or isn't.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Everybody check your harnesses.  The set Mad Dawg gave me a few
>>>>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>>>>> ago have now expired (was expected) so I need at least one new.
>>>>>>>>>> Helmet
>>>>>>>>>> is still good, SA 2010.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Still need tires, waiting for budget to replenish.  A little closer
>>>>>>>>>> though... sold an old set of ARE wheels I used to run on the Mach
>>>>>>>>>> I...
>>>>>>>>>> since the Campy's look so much nicer on it now.  :)  ... and can
>>>>>>>>>> runner
>>>>>>>>>> a wider tire on the rear!  Hoo rah!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Photo uploads much later... trying to concentrate on the actual
>>>>>>>>>> work
>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>> still taking photos.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Asa Jay
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>>>>>>>>>> &       Shelley Marie
>>>>>>>>>> Spokane, WA
>>>>>>>>>> ******************************
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>>>>>>>>>> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
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