[TPR] Oil weight opinions
Asa Jay Laughton
asajay at asajay.com
Tue Aug 21 09:30:33 PDT 2012
Better come prepared buddy, with a lot of helpers if you want to stay
ahead of the team that'll do it -again- this year, when nobody's
watching. >:)
<insert evil laugh here>
Asa Jay
Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
On 8/21/2012 3:57 AM, Steven Donegan wrote:
> Hmmm, maybe I should repeat a prank the dog did with a different twist
> - go around to all the Pantera's with Team Invaders and Amsoil decals :-)
> ____________
> Steven Donegan
> SSCC/NORC Life Member, Car #86
> www.sscc.us
>
> *From:* Teampantera <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> *To:* Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 21, 2012 12:24 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] Oil weight opinions
>
> Royal Purple were not one of the 2011 sponsors but the president of
> the company like K&N and Ultima who have been long time sponsors have
> been pretty generous with give aways in past...I think (?) JB besides
> the free oil also got FREE battery too. JB, was that you? I got a
> couple K&N filters for my IR-EFIs which retail for about $50 bucks a
> piece which was cool....since you will be going to Vegas first all the
> sponsors will be there soaking up media/mag coverage...just in case
> Royal Purple shows up dont get caught wearing your AMSOIL DEALER
> tshirt ;-)
> Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
> >No it's not free. :)
> >I've been using Amsoil in all our rigs now for a few years. I used to
> >be a dealer 25 years ago, but dropped it some time back. After nuking
> >the old engine in the Mach I (the really old engine I rebuilt 25 years
> >ago)[1], and reading everything about the lack of ZDDP in modern oils, I
> >switched back to Amsoil.
> >
> >Yes, I wish it were free, but trying to find a sponsoring dealer might
> >be a bit tricky. Does Steve get -his- for free? I guess you could say
> >I'm sponsoring myself in that regard. :)
> >
> >Asa Jay
> >[1] I believe the largest contributing factor to nuking the Mach I
> >engine was using "modern" SL grade engine oils with hardly any ZDDP.
> >
> >Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> >& Shelley Marie
> >Spokane, WA
> >******************************
> >http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> >http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
> >
> >
> >On 8/20/2012 8:54 PM, Teampantera wrote:
> >>
> >> Is it free? ;-)
> >>
> >> Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >All,
> >> >In addition to the public replies, I received a few private ones as
> >> >well. I'd like to thank everyone for their input, I consider it
> >> valuable.
> >> >
> >> >The engine is an older model Ford 351C. I wouldn't expect it to have
> >> >the same kind of tight tolerances a modern engine would have. The
> >> >majority of clearances on the rebuild came out to within factory
> specs,
> >> >but not necessarily on the "tight" side. Therefore running something
> >> >that would work well in a modern tight engine may not be the
> best. That
> >> >removed the 5W-20 from the list.
> >> >
> >> >The engine is using a hydraulic roller camshaft, with full roller
> >> >rockers (fulcrums and tips).
> >> >The break-in oil I have is -supposedly- high in ZDDP. The Amsoil
> >> >product I'm looking at is also high in ZDDP, no worries there.
> >> >
> >> >My choice based on non-forum feedback as well as the advice here,
> is the
> >> >15W-50 product, here:
> >> >http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/rd50.aspx
> >> >
> >> >Thanks everyone, :)
> >> >Asa Jay
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> >> >& Shelley Marie
> >> >Spokane, WA
> >> >******************************
> >> >http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> >> >http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >> >http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On 8/20/2012 8:11 PM, John Bentley wrote:
> >> >> I use Valvoline Race 20W-50 for ORR or track since I know the oil is
> >> >> gonna be hot. I also add some ZDDP. After the race I use
> 10W-40 for
> >> >> around town. There is no "right" answer to this though as there are
> >> >> many opinions.
> >> >>
> >> >> JB
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >> *From:* Teampantera <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> >> >> *To:* Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>;
> tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> >> >> *Sent:* Monday, August 20, 2012 7:36 PM
> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] Oil weight opinions
> >> >>
> >> >> Consensus?
> >> >> AMSOIL sponsoring you?
> >> >>
> >> >> Fyi - Jack posted something comparing motor oils in Newsletter
> in last
> >> >> few months.
> >> >>
> >> >> When JB got a FREE case of Royal Purple at Silver State I just stole
> >> >> his oil otherwise that liquid gold is too much money in my humble
> >> opinion.
> >> >>
> >> >> I've read all the claims by amsoil, redline, royal purple, etc and I
> >> >> know you and others are loyal users but my feedback from some pro
> >> >> drivers (JB & the Pope).was unless you get sponsored FREE motor
> oil or
> >> >> are turning 7,000 R's for an hour any quality motor oil is fine.
> >> >>
> >> >> After my initial break in I did use Mobil One for awhile but went
> >> >> right back to Valvoline VR1 race oil because I found a case in
> back of
> >> >> the garage I forgot.
> >> >>
> >> >> I change it after avery orr or track event. Yea I read there is
> some
> >> >> advantage to using a oil with a high zddp content but why pay
> >> >> the.extra$2-3 bucks a qt for that stiuff but is it worth 6-9 bucks a
> >> >> quart?
> >> >>
> >> >> Only if you think so ;-)
> >> >>
> >> >> Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >All,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I'll be running a break-in oil in the Pantera for the next few
> >> weeks as
> >> >> >I put as many miles on her as possible.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >After that I'll switch to the permanent oil. Here are the
> options I'm
> >> >> >looking at, from Asmoil in weights:
> >> >> > 5W-20
> >> >> > 10W-30
> >> >> > 15W-50
> >> >> >
> >> >> >What would the expert consensus be? (I already know what I'd
> >> like, but
> >> >> >I'm looking for alternate opinions which could change my mind)
> >> >> >Asa Jay
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> >> >> >& Shelley Marie
> >> >> >Spokane, WA
> >> >> >******************************
> >> >> >http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> >> >> >http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >> >> >http
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
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> >> >>
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> >> All,
> >> In addition to the public replies, I received a few private ones as
> >> well. I'd like to thank everyone for their input, I consider it
> valuable.
> >>
> >> The engine is an older model Ford 351C. I wouldn't expect it to have
> >> the same kind of tight tolerances a modern engine would have. The
> >> majority of clearances on the rebuild came out to within factory
> >> specs, but not necessarily on the "tight" side. Therefore running
> >> something that would work well in a modern tight engine may not be the
> >> best. That removed the 5W-20 from the list.
> >>
> >> The engine is using a hydraulic roller camshaft, with full roller
> >> rockers (fulcrums and tips).
> >> The break-in oil I have is -supposedly- high in ZDDP. The Amsoil
> >> product I'm looking at is also high in ZDDP, no worries there.
> >>
> >> My choice based on non-forum feedback as well as the advice here, is
> >> the 15W-50 product, here:
> >> http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/rd50.aspx
> >>
> >> Thanks everyone, :)
> >> Asa Jay
> >>
> >>
> >> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> >> & Shelley Marie
> >> Spokane, WA
> >> ******************************
> >> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> >> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
> >>
> >> On 8/20/2012 8:11 PM, John Bentley wrote:
> >>> I use Valvoline Race 20W-50 for ORR or track since I know the oil is
> >>> gonna be hot. I also add some ZDDP. After the race I use 10W-40 for
> >>> around town. There is no "right" answer to this though as there are
> >>> many opinions.
> >>>
> >>> JB
> >>>
> >>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> *From:* Teampantera <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> >>> *To:* Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> >>> *Sent:* Monday, August 20, 2012 7:36 PM
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] Oil weight opinions
> >>>
> >>> Consensus?
> >>> AMSOIL sponsoring you?
> >>>
> >>> Fyi - Jack posted something comparing motor oils in Newsletter in
> >>> last few months.
> >>>
> >>> When JB got a FREE case of Royal Purple at Silver State I just stole
> >>> his oil otherwise that liquid gold is too much money in my humble
> >>> opinion.
> >>>
> >>> I've read all the claims by amsoil, redline, royal purple, etc and I
> >>> know you and others are loyal users but my feedback from some pro
> >>> drivers (JB & the Pope).was unless you get sponsored FREE motor oil
> >>> or are turning 7,000 R's for an hour any quality motor oil is fine.
> >>>
> >>> After my initial break in I did use Mobil One for awhile but went
> >>> right back to Valvoline VR1 race oil because I found a case in back
> >>> of the garage I forgot.
> >>>
> >>> I change it after avery orr or track event. Yea I read there is
> >>> some advantage to using a oil with a high zddp content but why pay
> >>> the.extra$2-3 bucks a qt for that stiuff but is it worth 6-9 bucks a
> >>> quart?
> >>>
> >>> Only if you think so ;-)
> >>>
> >>> Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >All,
> >>> >
> >>> >I'll be running a break-in oil in the Pantera for the next few
> weeks as
> >>> >I put as many miles on her as possible.
> >>> >
> >>> >After that I'll switch to the permanent oil. Here are the
> options I'm
> >>> >looking at, from Asmoil in weights:
> >>> > 5W-20
> >>> > 10W-30
> >>> > 15W-50
> >>> >
> >>> >What would the expert consensus be? (I already know what I'd
> like, but
> >>> >I'm looking for alternate opinions which could change my mind)
> >>> >Asa Jay
> >>> >
> >>> >Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> >>> >& Shelley Marie
> >>> >Spokane, WA
> >>> >******************************
> >>> >http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> >>> >http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >>> >http
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >_______________________________________________
> >>> >TPR mailing list
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> No it's not free. :)
> I've been using Amsoil in all our rigs now for a few years. I used to
> be a dealer 25 years ago, but dropped it some time back. After nuking
> the old engine in the Mach I (the really old engine I rebuilt 25 years
> ago)[1], and reading everything about the lack of ZDDP in modern oils,
> I switched back to Amsoil.
>
> Yes, I wish it were free, but trying to find a sponsoring dealer might
> be a bit tricky. Does Steve get -his- for free? I guess you could
> say I'm sponsoring myself in that regard. :)
>
> Asa Jay
> [1] I believe the largest contributing factor to nuking the Mach I
> engine was using "modern" SL grade engine oils with hardly any ZDDP.
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com/
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
> On 8/20/2012 8:54 PM, Teampantera wrote:
>> Is it free? ;-)
>> Asa Jay Laughton mailto:asajay at asajay.com wrote:
>> >All,
>> >In addition to the public replies, I received a few private ones as
>> >well. I'd like to thank everyone for their input, I consider it
>> valuable.
>> >
>> >The engine is an older model Ford 351C. I wouldn't expect it to have
>> >the same kind of tight tolerances a modern engine would have. The
>> >majority of clearances on the rebuild came out to within factory specs,
>> >but not necessarily on the "tight" side. Therefore running something
>> >that would work well in a modern tight engine may not be the best.
>> That
>> >removed the 5W-20 from the list.
>> >
>> >The engine is using a hydraulic roller camshaft, with full roller
>> >rockers (fulcrums and tips).
>> >The break-in oil I have is -supposedly- high in ZDDP. The Amsoil
>> >product I'm looking at is also high in ZDDP, no worries there.
>> >
>> >My choice based on non-forum feedback as well as the advice here, is
>> the
>> >15W-50 product, here:
>> >http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/rd50.aspx
>> >
>> >Thanks everyone, :)
>> >Asa Jay
>> >
>> >
>> >Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>> >& Shelley Marie
>> >Spokane, WA
>> >******************************
>> >http://www.racingagainstautism.com/
>> >http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>> >http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>> >
>> >
>> >On 8/20/2012 8:11 PM, John Bentley wrote:
>> >> I use Valvoline Race 20W-50 for ORR or track since I know the oil is
>> >> gonna be hot. I also add some ZDDP. After the race I use 10W-40 for
>> >> around town. There is no "right" answer to this though as there are
>> >> many opinions.
>> >>
>> >> JB
>> >>
>> >>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> *From:* Teampantera mailto:teampantera at yahoo.com
>> >> *To:* Asa Jay Laughton mailto:asajay at asajay.com;
>> tpr at teampanteraracing.com <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>> >> *Sent:* Monday, August 20, 2012 7:36 PM
>> >> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] Oil weight opinions
>> >>
>> >> Consensus?
>> >> AMSOIL sponsoring you?
>> >>
>> >> Fyi - Jack posted something comparing motor oils in Newsletter in
>> last
>> >> few months.
>> >>
>> >> When JB got a FREE case of Royal Purple at Silver State I just stole
>> >> his oil otherwise that liquid gold is too much money in my humble
>> opinion.
>> >>
>> >> I've read all the claims by amsoil, redline, royal purple, etc and I
>> >> know you and others are loyal users but my feedback from some pro
>> >> drivers (JB & the Pope).was unless you get sponsored FREE motor
>> oil or
>> >> are turning 7,000 R's for an hour any quality motor oil is fine.
>> >>
>> >> After my initial break in I did use Mobil One for awhile but went
>> >> right back to Valvoline VR1 race oil because I found a case in
>> back of
>> >> the garage I forgot.
>> >>
>> >> I change it after avery orr or track event. Yea I read there is some
>> >> advantage to using a oil with a high zddp content but why pay
>> >> the.extra$2-3 bucks a qt for that stiuff but is it worth 6-9 bucks a
>> >> quart?
>> >>
>> >> Only if you think so ;-)
>> >>
>> >> Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>
>> mailto:asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >All,
>> >> >
>> >> >I'll be running a break-in oil in the Pantera for the next few
>> weeks as
>> >> >I put as many miles on her as possible.
>> >> >
>> >> >After that I'll switch to the permanent oil. Here are the
>> options I'm
>> >> >looking at, from Asmoil in weights:
>> >> > 5W-20
>> >> > 10W-30
>> >> > 15W-50
>> >> >
>> >> >What would the expert consensus be? (I already know what I'd
>> like, but
>> >> >I'm looking for alternate opinions which could change my mind)
>> >> >Asa Jay
>> >> >
>> >> >Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>> >> >& Shelley Marie
>> >> >Spokane, WA
>> >> >******************************
>> >> >http://www.racingagainstautism.com/
>> >> >http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>> >> >http
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >_______________________________________________
>> >> >TPR mailing list
>> >> >TPR at teampanteraracing.com <mailto:TPR at teampanteraracing.com>
>> mailto:TPR at teampanteraracing.com
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>> >>
>> >>
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>> All,
>> In addition to the public replies, I received a few private ones as
>> well. I'd like to thank everyone for their input, I consider it
>> valuable.
>>
>> The engine is an older model Ford 351C. I wouldn't expect it to have
>> the same kind of tight tolerances a modern engine would have. The
>> majority of clearances on the rebuild came out to within factory
>> specs, but not necessarily on the "tight" side. Therefore running
>> something that would work well in a modern tight engine may not be
>> the best. That removed the 5W-20 from the list.
>>
>> The engine is using a hydraulic roller camshaft, with full roller
>> rockers (fulcrums and tips).
>> The break-in oil I have is -supposedly- high in ZDDP. The Amsoil
>> product I'm looking at is also high in ZDDP, no worries there.
>>
>> My choice based on non-forum feedback as well as the advice here, is
>> the 15W-50 product, here:
>> http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/rd50.aspx
>>
>> Thanks everyone, :)
>> Asa Jay
>>
>>
>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>> & Shelley Marie
>> Spokane, WA
>> ******************************
>> http://www.racingagainstautism.com/
>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>>
>> On 8/20/2012 8:11 PM, John Bentley wrote:
>>> I use Valvoline Race 20W-50 for ORR or track since I know the oil is
>>> gonna be hot. I also add some ZDDP. After the race I use 10W-40
>>> for around town. There is no "right" answer to this though as there
>>> are many opinions.
>>>
>>> JB
>>>
>>> *From:* Teampantera mailto:teampantera at yahoo.com
>>> *To:* Asa Jay Laughton mailto:asajay at asajay.com;
>>> tpr at teampanteraracing.com <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 20, 2012 7:36 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] Oil weight opinions
>>>
>>> Consensus?
>>> AMSOIL sponsoring you?
>>>
>>> Fyi - Jack posted something comparing motor oils in Newsletter in
>>> last few months.
>>>
>>> When JB got a FREE case of Royal Purple at Silver State I just stole
>>> his oil otherwise that liquid gold is too much money in my humble
>>> opinion.
>>>
>>> I've read all the claims by amsoil, redline, royal purple, etc and I
>>> know you and others are loyal users but my feedback from some pro
>>> drivers (JB & the Pope).was unless you get sponsored FREE motor oil
>>> or are turning 7,000 R's for an hour any quality motor oil is fine.
>>>
>>> After my initial break in I did use Mobil One for awhile but went
>>> right back to Valvoline VR1 race oil because I found a case in back
>>> of the garage I forgot.
>>>
>>> I change it after avery orr or track event. Yea I read there is
>>> some advantage to using a oil with a high zddp content but why pay
>>> the.extra$2-3 bucks a qt for that stiuff but is it worth 6-9 bucks a
>>> quart?
>>>
>>> Only if you think so ;-)
>>>
>>> Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >All,
>>> >
>>> >I'll be running a break-in oil in the Pantera for the next few
>>> weeks as
>>> >I put as many miles on her as possible.
>>> >
>>> >After that I'll switch to the permanent oil. Here are the options I'm
>>> >looking at, from Asmoil in weights:
>>> > 5W-20
>>> > 10W-30
>>> > 15W-50
>>> >
>>> >What would the expert consensus be? (I already know what I'd like,
>>> but
>>> >I'm looking for alternate opinions which could change my mind)
>>> >Asa Jay
>>> >
>>> >Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>>> >& Shelley Marie
>>> >Spokane, WA
>>> >******************************
>>> >http://www.racingagainstautism.com/
>>> >http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>>> >http
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >_______________________________________________
>>> >TPR mailing list
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