[TPR] Oil weight opinions
Steven Donegan
steve at donegan.org
Tue Aug 21 03:54:29 PDT 2012
Well, I don't get it for free but at dealer cost which still puts it a bit higher than say mobil one. And I would let either of you have some of mine - I buy a few cases each year but usually it is very low vis oil for my cosworth designed Z engine (read tighter than hell tolerances) I think it's 5W-15 which likely would be too thin for a Cleveland. When I had my Cleveland I ran 20-50... And now to make sure I put some Amsoil decals in my race bag for you AJ :-)
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Steven Donegan
SSCC/NORC Life Member, Car #86
www.sscc.us
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From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 12:07 AM
Subject: Re: [TPR] Oil weight opinions
No it's not free. :)
I've been using Amsoil in all our rigs now for a few years. I used
to be a dealer 25 years ago, but dropped it some time back. After
nuking the old engine in the Mach I (the really old engine I rebuilt
25 years ago)[1], and reading everything about the lack of ZDDP in
modern oils, I switched back to Amsoil.
Yes, I wish it were free, but trying to find a sponsoring dealer
might be a bit tricky. Does Steve get -his- for free? I guess you
could say I'm sponsoring myself in that regard. :)
Asa Jay
[1] I believe the largest contributing factor to nuking the Mach I
engine was using "modern" SL grade engine oils with hardly any ZDDP.
Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
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On 8/20/2012 8:54 PM, Teampantera wrote:
Is it free? ;-)
>Asa Jay Laughton mailto:asajay at asajay.com wrote:
>>All,
>>In addition to the public replies, I received a few private
ones as
>>well. I'd like to thank everyone for their input, I
consider it valuable.
>>
>>The engine is an older model Ford 351C. I wouldn't expect
it to have
>>the same kind of tight tolerances a modern engine would
have. The
>>majority of clearances on the rebuild came out to within
factory specs,
>>but not necessarily on the "tight" side. Therefore running
something
>>that would work well in a modern tight engine may not be the
best. That
>>removed the 5W-20 from the list.
>>
>>The engine is using a hydraulic roller camshaft, with full
roller
>>rockers (fulcrums and tips).
>>The break-in oil I have is -supposedly- high in ZDDP. The
Amsoil
>>product I'm looking at is also high in ZDDP, no worries
there.
>>
>>My choice based on non-forum feedback as well as the advice
here, is the
>>15W-50 product, here:
>>http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/rd50.aspx
>>
>>Thanks everyone, :)
>>Asa Jay
>>
>>
>>Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>>& Shelley Marie
>>Spokane, WA
>>******************************
>>http://www.racingagainstautism.com/
>>http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>>http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>>
>>
>>On 8/20/2012 8:11 PM, John Bentley wrote:
>>> I use Valvoline Race 20W-50 for ORR or track since I
know the oil is
>>> gonna be hot. I also add some ZDDP. After the race I
use 10W-40 for
>>> around town. There is no "right" answer to this though
as there are
>>> many opinions.
>>>
>>> JB
>>>
>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* Teampantera mailto:teampantera at yahoo.com
>>> *To:* Asa Jay Laughton mailto:asajay at asajay.com; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 20, 2012 7:36 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] Oil weight opinions
>>>
>>> Consensus?
>>> AMSOIL sponsoring you?
>>>
>>> Fyi - Jack posted something comparing motor oils in
Newsletter in last
>>> few months.
>>>
>>> When JB got a FREE case of Royal Purple at Silver State
I just stole
>>> his oil otherwise that liquid gold is too much money in
my humble opinion.
>>>
>>> I've read all the claims by amsoil, redline, royal
purple, etc and I
>>> know you and others are loyal users but my feedback
from some pro
>>> drivers (JB & the Pope).was unless you get
sponsored FREE motor oil or
>>> are turning 7,000 R's for an hour any quality motor oil
is fine.
>>>
>>> After my initial break in I did use Mobil One for
awhile but went
>>> right back to Valvoline VR1 race oil because I found a
case in back of
>>> the garage I forgot.
>>>
>>> I change it after avery orr or track event. Yea I read
there is some
>>> advantage to using a oil with a high zddp content but
why pay
>>> the.extra$2-3 bucks a qt for that stiuff but is it
worth 6-9 bucks a
>>> quart?
>>>
>>> Only if you think so ;-)
>>>
>>> Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com mailto:asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >All,
>>> >
>>> >I'll be running a break-in oil in the Pantera for
the next few weeks as
>>> >I put as many miles on her as possible.
>>> >
>>> >After that I'll switch to the permanent oil. Here
are the options I'm
>>> >looking at, from Asmoil in weights:
>>> > 5W-20
>>> > 10W-30
>>> > 15W-50
>>> >
>>> >What would the expert consensus be? (I already
know what I'd like, but
>>> >I'm looking for alternate opinions which could
change my mind)
>>> >Asa Jay
>>> >
>>> >Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>>> >& Shelley Marie
>>> >Spokane, WA
>>> >******************************
>>> >http://www.racingagainstautism.com/
>>> >http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>>> >http
>>> >
>>> >
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All,
>In addition to the public replies, I received a few private ones
as well. I'd like to thank everyone for their input, I consider
it valuable.
>
>The engine is an older model Ford 351C. I wouldn't expect it to
have the same kind of tight tolerances a modern engine would
have. The majority of clearances on the rebuild came out to
within factory specs, but not necessarily on the "tight" side.
Therefore running something that would work well in a modern tight
engine may not be the best. That removed the 5W-20 from the list.
>
>The engine is using a hydraulic roller camshaft, with full roller
rockers (fulcrums and tips).
>The break-in oil I have is -supposedly- high in ZDDP. The Amsoil
product I'm looking at is also high in ZDDP, no worries there.
>
>My choice based on non-forum feedback as well as the advice here,
is the 15W-50 product, here:
>http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/rd50.aspx
>
>Thanks everyone, :)
>Asa Jay
>
>
>
>Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com/ http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>On 8/20/2012 8:11 PM, John Bentley wrote:
>I use Valvoline Race 20W-50 for ORR or track since I know the oil is gonna be hot. I also add some ZDDP. After the race I use 10W-40 for around town. There is no "right" answer to this though as there are many opinions.
>>
>>
>>
>>JB
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>> From: Teampantera mailto:teampantera at yahoo.com
>>To: Asa Jay Laughton mailto:asajay at asajay.com; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>>Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 7:36 PM
>>Subject: Re: [TPR] Oil weight opinions
>>
>>Consensus?
>>AMSOIL sponsoring you?
>>
>>Fyi - Jack posted something comparing motor oils in
Newsletter in last few months.
>>
>>When JB got a FREE case of Royal Purple at Silver State I
just stole his oil otherwise that liquid gold is too much
money in my humble opinion.
>>
>>I've read all the claims by amsoil, redline, royal purple,
etc and I know you and others are loyal users but my
feedback from some pro drivers (JB & the Pope).was
unless you get sponsored FREE motor oil or are turning
7,000 R's for an hour any quality motor oil is fine.
>>
>>After my initial break in I did use Mobil One for awhile
but went right back to Valvoline VR1 race oil because I
found a case in back of the garage I forgot.
>>
>>I change it after avery orr or track event. Yea I read
there is some advantage to using a oil with a high zddp
content but why pay the.extra$2-3 bucks a qt for that
stiuff but is it worth 6-9 bucks a quart?
>>
>>Only if you think so ;-)
>>
>>Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
>>
>>>All,
>>>
>>>I'll be running a break-in oil in the Pantera for the
next few weeks as
>>>I put as many miles on her as possible.
>>>
>>>After that I'll switch to the permanent oil. Here are
the options I'm
>>>looking at, from Asmoil in weights:
>>> 5W-20
>>> 10W-30
>>> 15W-50
>>>
>>>What would the expert consensus be? (I already know
what I'd like, but
>>>I'm looking for alternate opinions which could change
my mind)
>>>Asa Jay
>>>
>>>Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>>>& Shelley Marie
>>>Spokane, WA
>>>******************************
>>>http://www.racingagainstautism.com/
>>>http://www.teampanteraracing.com/
>>>http
>>>
>>>
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