[TPR] Oil weight opinions
Asa Jay Laughton
asajay at asajay.com
Mon Aug 20 21:51:25 PDT 2012
Oh no worries there.... but there -are- Amsoil decals on the -car-. :)
Wow... doesn't that look -sad- with those tiny tires on the back? I
can't wait to mount the new wheels and tires, but I'm holding off until
the week before I leave. I've got new steering rack ends (ball joints)
that will go on, along with the new tires and then it goes to the
alignment shop. The new tires will have about 1,500 miles on them by
the time I reach Vegas.
I should be wearing a Team Pantera Racing t-shirt or if I can get some
Racing Against Autism t-shirts made by then, I'll wear one of those.
Not sure a Yellow Round Table Pizza decal will show up real well. Make
sure you get a set in another color for me please.
Asa Jay
Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
******************************
http://www.racingagainstautism.com
http://www.teampanteraracing.com
http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
On 8/20/2012 9:24 PM, Teampantera wrote:
>
> Royal Purple were not one of the 2011 sponsors but the president of
> the company like K&N and Ultima who have been long time sponsors have
> been pretty generous with give aways in past...I think (?) JB besides
> the free oil also got FREE battery too. JB, was that you? I got a
> couple K&N filters for my IR-EFIs which retail for about $50 bucks a
> piece which was cool....since you will be going to Vegas first all the
> sponsors will be there soaking up media/mag coverage...just in case
> Royal Purple shows up dont get caught wearing your AMSOIL DEALER
> tshirt ;-)
>
> Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
>
> >No it's not free. :)
> >I've been using Amsoil in all our rigs now for a few years. I used to
> >be a dealer 25 years ago, but dropped it some time back. After nuking
> >the old engine in the Mach I (the really old engine I rebuilt 25 years
> >ago)[1], and reading everything about the lack of ZDDP in modern oils, I
> >switched back to Amsoil.
> >
> >Yes, I wish it were free, but trying to find a sponsoring dealer might
> >be a bit tricky. Does Steve get -his- for free? I guess you could say
> >I'm sponsoring myself in that regard. :)
> >
> >Asa Jay
> >[1] I believe the largest contributing factor to nuking the Mach I
> >engine was using "modern" SL grade engine oils with hardly any ZDDP.
> >
> >Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> >& Shelley Marie
> >Spokane, WA
> >******************************
> >http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> >http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
> >
> >
> >On 8/20/2012 8:54 PM, Teampantera wrote:
> >>
> >> Is it free? ;-)
> >>
> >> Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >All,
> >> >In addition to the public replies, I received a few private ones as
> >> >well. I'd like to thank everyone for their input, I consider it
> >> valuable.
> >> >
> >> >The engine is an older model Ford 351C. I wouldn't expect it to have
> >> >the same kind of tight tolerances a modern engine would have. The
> >> >majority of clearances on the rebuild came out to within factory
> specs,
> >> >but not necessarily on the "tight" side. Therefore running something
> >> >that would work well in a modern tight engine may not be the
> best. That
> >> >removed the 5W-20 from the list.
> >> >
> >> >The engine is using a hydraulic roller camshaft, with full roller
> >> >rockers (fulcrums and tips).
> >> >The break-in oil I have is -supposedly- high in ZDDP. The Amsoil
> >> >product I'm looking at is also high in ZDDP, no worries there.
> >> >
> >> >My choice based on non-forum feedback as well as the advice here,
> is the
> >> >15W-50 product, here:
> >> >http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/rd50.aspx
> >> >
> >> >Thanks everyone, :)
> >> >Asa Jay
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> >> >& Shelley Marie
> >> >Spokane, WA
> >> >******************************
> >> >http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> >> >http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >> >http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >On 8/20/2012 8:11 PM, John Bentley wrote:
> >> >> I use Valvoline Race 20W-50 for ORR or track since I know the oil is
> >> >> gonna be hot. I also add some ZDDP. After the race I use
> 10W-40 for
> >> >> around town. There is no "right" answer to this though as there are
> >> >> many opinions.
> >> >>
> >> >> JB
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> >> *From:* Teampantera <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> >> >> *To:* Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>;
> tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> >> >> *Sent:* Monday, August 20, 2012 7:36 PM
> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] Oil weight opinions
> >> >>
> >> >> Consensus?
> >> >> AMSOIL sponsoring you?
> >> >>
> >> >> Fyi - Jack posted something comparing motor oils in Newsletter
> in last
> >> >> few months.
> >> >>
> >> >> When JB got a FREE case of Royal Purple at Silver State I just stole
> >> >> his oil otherwise that liquid gold is too much money in my humble
> >> opinion.
> >> >>
> >> >> I've read all the claims by amsoil, redline, royal purple, etc and I
> >> >> know you and others are loyal users but my feedback from some pro
> >> >> drivers (JB & the Pope).was unless you get sponsored FREE motor
> oil or
> >> >> are turning 7,000 R's for an hour any quality motor oil is fine.
> >> >>
> >> >> After my initial break in I did use Mobil One for awhile but went
> >> >> right back to Valvoline VR1 race oil because I found a case in
> back of
> >> >> the garage I forgot.
> >> >>
> >> >> I change it after avery orr or track event. Yea I read there is
> some
> >> >> advantage to using a oil with a high zddp content but why pay
> >> >> the.extra$2-3 bucks a qt for that stiuff but is it worth 6-9 bucks a
> >> >> quart?
> >> >>
> >> >> Only if you think so ;-)
> >> >>
> >> >> Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >All,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I'll be running a break-in oil in the Pantera for the next few
> >> weeks as
> >> >> >I put as many miles on her as possible.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >After that I'll switch to the permanent oil. Here are the
> options I'm
> >> >> >looking at, from Asmoil in weights:
> >> >> > 5W-20
> >> >> > 10W-30
> >> >> > 15W-50
> >> >> >
> >> >> >What would the expert consensus be? (I already know what I'd
> >> like, but
> >> >> >I'm looking for alternate opinions which could change my mind)
> >> >> >Asa Jay
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> >> >> >& Shelley Marie
> >> >> >Spokane, WA
> >> >> >******************************
> >> >> >http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> >> >> >http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >> >> >http
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
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> >> >>
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> >> All,
> >> In addition to the public replies, I received a few private ones as
> >> well. I'd like to thank everyone for their input, I consider it
> valuable.
> >>
> >> The engine is an older model Ford 351C. I wouldn't expect it to have
> >> the same kind of tight tolerances a modern engine would have. The
> >> majority of clearances on the rebuild came out to within factory
> >> specs, but not necessarily on the "tight" side. Therefore running
> >> something that would work well in a modern tight engine may not be the
> >> best. That removed the 5W-20 from the list.
> >>
> >> The engine is using a hydraulic roller camshaft, with full roller
> >> rockers (fulcrums and tips).
> >> The break-in oil I have is -supposedly- high in ZDDP. The Amsoil
> >> product I'm looking at is also high in ZDDP, no worries there.
> >>
> >> My choice based on non-forum feedback as well as the advice here, is
> >> the 15W-50 product, here:
> >> http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/rd50.aspx
> >>
> >> Thanks everyone, :)
> >> Asa Jay
> >>
> >>
> >> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> >> & Shelley Marie
> >> Spokane, WA
> >> ******************************
> >> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> >> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
> >>
> >> On 8/20/2012 8:11 PM, John Bentley wrote:
> >>> I use Valvoline Race 20W-50 for ORR or track since I know the oil is
> >>> gonna be hot. I also add some ZDDP. After the race I use 10W-40 for
> >>> around town. There is no "right" answer to this though as there are
> >>> many opinions.
> >>>
> >>> JB
> >>>
> >>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>> *From:* Teampantera <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> >>> *To:* Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> >>> *Sent:* Monday, August 20, 2012 7:36 PM
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] Oil weight opinions
> >>>
> >>> Consensus?
> >>> AMSOIL sponsoring you?
> >>>
> >>> Fyi - Jack posted something comparing motor oils in Newsletter in
> >>> last few months.
> >>>
> >>> When JB got a FREE case of Royal Purple at Silver State I just stole
> >>> his oil otherwise that liquid gold is too much money in my humble
> >>> opinion.
> >>>
> >>> I've read all the claims by amsoil, redline, royal purple, etc and I
> >>> know you and others are loyal users but my feedback from some pro
> >>> drivers (JB & the Pope).was unless you get sponsored FREE motor oil
> >>> or are turning 7,000 R's for an hour any quality motor oil is fine.
> >>>
> >>> After my initial break in I did use Mobil One for awhile but went
> >>> right back to Valvoline VR1 race oil because I found a case in back
> >>> of the garage I forgot.
> >>>
> >>> I change it after avery orr or track event. Yea I read there is
> >>> some advantage to using a oil with a high zddp content but why pay
> >>> the.extra$2-3 bucks a qt for that stiuff but is it worth 6-9 bucks a
> >>> quart?
> >>>
> >>> Only if you think so ;-)
> >>>
> >>> Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >All,
> >>> >
> >>> >I'll be running a break-in oil in the Pantera for the next few
> weeks as
> >>> >I put as many miles on her as possible.
> >>> >
> >>> >After that I'll switch to the permanent oil. Here are the
> options I'm
> >>> >looking at, from Asmoil in weights:
> >>> > 5W-20
> >>> > 10W-30
> >>> > 15W-50
> >>> >
> >>> >What would the expert consensus be? (I already know what I'd
> like, but
> >>> >I'm looking for alternate opinions which could change my mind)
> >>> >Asa Jay
> >>> >
> >>> >Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> >>> >& Shelley Marie
> >>> >Spokane, WA
> >>> >******************************
> >>> >http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> >>> >http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> >>> >http
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >_______________________________________________
> >>> >TPR mailing list
> >>> >TPR at teampanteraracing.com <mailto:TPR at teampanteraracing.com>
> >>> >http://lists.teampanteraracing.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tpr
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> No it's not free. :)
> I've been using Amsoil in all our rigs now for a few years. I used to
> be a dealer 25 years ago, but dropped it some time back. After nuking
> the old engine in the Mach I (the really old engine I rebuilt 25 years
> ago)[1], and reading everything about the lack of ZDDP in modern oils,
> I switched back to Amsoil.
>
> Yes, I wish it were free, but trying to find a sponsoring dealer might
> be a bit tricky. Does Steve get -his- for free? I guess you could
> say I'm sponsoring myself in that regard. :)
>
> Asa Jay
> [1] I believe the largest contributing factor to nuking the Mach I
> engine was using "modern" SL grade engine oils with hardly any ZDDP.
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
> ******************************
> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>
> On 8/20/2012 8:54 PM, Teampantera wrote:
>>
>> Is it free? ;-)
>>
>> Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
>>
>> >All,
>> >In addition to the public replies, I received a few private ones as
>> >well. I'd like to thank everyone for their input, I consider it
>> valuable.
>> >
>> >The engine is an older model Ford 351C. I wouldn't expect it to have
>> >the same kind of tight tolerances a modern engine would have. The
>> >majority of clearances on the rebuild came out to within factory specs,
>> >but not necessarily on the "tight" side. Therefore running something
>> >that would work well in a modern tight engine may not be the best.
>> That
>> >removed the 5W-20 from the list.
>> >
>> >The engine is using a hydraulic roller camshaft, with full roller
>> >rockers (fulcrums and tips).
>> >The break-in oil I have is -supposedly- high in ZDDP. The Amsoil
>> >product I'm looking at is also high in ZDDP, no worries there.
>> >
>> >My choice based on non-forum feedback as well as the advice here, is
>> the
>> >15W-50 product, here:
>> >http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/rd50.aspx
>> >
>> >Thanks everyone, :)
>> >Asa Jay
>> >
>> >
>> >Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>> >& Shelley Marie
>> >Spokane, WA
>> >******************************
>> >http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>> >http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>> >http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>> >
>> >
>> >On 8/20/2012 8:11 PM, John Bentley wrote:
>> >> I use Valvoline Race 20W-50 for ORR or track since I know the oil is
>> >> gonna be hot. I also add some ZDDP. After the race I use 10W-40 for
>> >> around town. There is no "right" answer to this though as there are
>> >> many opinions.
>> >>
>> >> JB
>> >>
>> >>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> *From:* Teampantera <teampantera at yahoo.com>
>> >> *To:* Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>> >> *Sent:* Monday, August 20, 2012 7:36 PM
>> >> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] Oil weight opinions
>> >>
>> >> Consensus?
>> >> AMSOIL sponsoring you?
>> >>
>> >> Fyi - Jack posted something comparing motor oils in Newsletter in
>> last
>> >> few months.
>> >>
>> >> When JB got a FREE case of Royal Purple at Silver State I just stole
>> >> his oil otherwise that liquid gold is too much money in my humble
>> opinion.
>> >>
>> >> I've read all the claims by amsoil, redline, royal purple, etc and I
>> >> know you and others are loyal users but my feedback from some pro
>> >> drivers (JB & the Pope).was unless you get sponsored FREE motor
>> oil or
>> >> are turning 7,000 R's for an hour any quality motor oil is fine.
>> >>
>> >> After my initial break in I did use Mobil One for awhile but went
>> >> right back to Valvoline VR1 race oil because I found a case in
>> back of
>> >> the garage I forgot.
>> >>
>> >> I change it after avery orr or track event. Yea I read there is some
>> >> advantage to using a oil with a high zddp content but why pay
>> >> the.extra$2-3 bucks a qt for that stiuff but is it worth 6-9 bucks a
>> >> quart?
>> >>
>> >> Only if you think so ;-)
>> >>
>> >> Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >All,
>> >> >
>> >> >I'll be running a break-in oil in the Pantera for the next few
>> weeks as
>> >> >I put as many miles on her as possible.
>> >> >
>> >> >After that I'll switch to the permanent oil. Here are the
>> options I'm
>> >> >looking at, from Asmoil in weights:
>> >> > 5W-20
>> >> > 10W-30
>> >> > 15W-50
>> >> >
>> >> >What would the expert consensus be? (I already know what I'd
>> like, but
>> >> >I'm looking for alternate opinions which could change my mind)
>> >> >Asa Jay
>> >> >
>> >> >Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>> >> >& Shelley Marie
>> >> >Spokane, WA
>> >> >******************************
>> >> >http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>> >> >http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>> >> >http
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >_______________________________________________
>> >> >TPR mailing list
>> >> >TPR at teampanteraracing.com <mailto:TPR at teampanteraracing.com>
>> >> >http://lists.teampanteraracing.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tpr
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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>>
>> All,
>> In addition to the public replies, I received a few private ones as
>> well. I'd like to thank everyone for their input, I consider it
>> valuable.
>>
>> The engine is an older model Ford 351C. I wouldn't expect it to have
>> the same kind of tight tolerances a modern engine would have. The
>> majority of clearances on the rebuild came out to within factory
>> specs, but not necessarily on the "tight" side. Therefore running
>> something that would work well in a modern tight engine may not be
>> the best. That removed the 5W-20 from the list.
>>
>> The engine is using a hydraulic roller camshaft, with full roller
>> rockers (fulcrums and tips).
>> The break-in oil I have is -supposedly- high in ZDDP. The Amsoil
>> product I'm looking at is also high in ZDDP, no worries there.
>>
>> My choice based on non-forum feedback as well as the advice here, is
>> the 15W-50 product, here:
>> http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/rd50.aspx
>>
>> Thanks everyone, :)
>> Asa Jay
>>
>>
>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>> & Shelley Marie
>> Spokane, WA
>> ******************************
>> http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>> http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>>
>> On 8/20/2012 8:11 PM, John Bentley wrote:
>>> I use Valvoline Race 20W-50 for ORR or track since I know the oil is
>>> gonna be hot. I also add some ZDDP. After the race I use 10W-40
>>> for around town. There is no "right" answer to this though as there
>>> are many opinions.
>>>
>>> JB
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* Teampantera <teampantera at yahoo.com>
>>> *To:* Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 20, 2012 7:36 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] Oil weight opinions
>>>
>>> Consensus?
>>> AMSOIL sponsoring you?
>>>
>>> Fyi - Jack posted something comparing motor oils in Newsletter in
>>> last few months.
>>>
>>> When JB got a FREE case of Royal Purple at Silver State I just stole
>>> his oil otherwise that liquid gold is too much money in my humble
>>> opinion.
>>>
>>> I've read all the claims by amsoil, redline, royal purple, etc and I
>>> know you and others are loyal users but my feedback from some pro
>>> drivers (JB & the Pope).was unless you get sponsored FREE motor oil
>>> or are turning 7,000 R's for an hour any quality motor oil is fine.
>>>
>>> After my initial break in I did use Mobil One for awhile but went
>>> right back to Valvoline VR1 race oil because I found a case in back
>>> of the garage I forgot.
>>>
>>> I change it after avery orr or track event. Yea I read there is
>>> some advantage to using a oil with a high zddp content but why pay
>>> the.extra$2-3 bucks a qt for that stiuff but is it worth 6-9 bucks a
>>> quart?
>>>
>>> Only if you think so ;-)
>>>
>>> Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com <mailto:asajay at asajay.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >All,
>>> >
>>> >I'll be running a break-in oil in the Pantera for the next few
>>> weeks as
>>> >I put as many miles on her as possible.
>>> >
>>> >After that I'll switch to the permanent oil. Here are the options I'm
>>> >looking at, from Asmoil in weights:
>>> > 5W-20
>>> > 10W-30
>>> > 15W-50
>>> >
>>> >What would the expert consensus be? (I already know what I'd like,
>>> but
>>> >I'm looking for alternate opinions which could change my mind)
>>> >Asa Jay
>>> >
>>> >Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>>> >& Shelley Marie
>>> >Spokane, WA
>>> >******************************
>>> >http://www.racingagainstautism.com
>>> >http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>>> >http
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >_______________________________________________
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