[TPR] WHERE HAVE ALL THE OLD CARS GONE?? Re: SS 2011
John Bentley
gndplne at yahoo.com
Thu Sep 22 12:40:58 PDT 2011
Steve,
I've been down that road many times, so probably wouldn't make a special trip to do it at 70 MPH! :) Might be the best way is to study the coarse notes on the SSCC web site and then just go there a day earlier before the race and make the run and update your notes. Its 1200 miles round-trip from Santa Clara, so its a lot of driving to take notes on a 90-mile stretch of road!
Does anyone know if the 90 miles distance is measured in one lane or by taking the line you would use when in the race (you often use all the road from edge to edge in turns)?
I think the most important distance markers are the last couple ones measured back from the finish, not the start.
J
________________________________
From: "steve at donegan.org" <steve at donegan.org>
To: John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com>; Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>; David in Durango <adin at frontier.net>
Cc: tpr <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [TPR] WHERE HAVE ALL THE OLD CARS GONE?? Re: SS 2011
The goal of the 70 MPH run is to allow folks to get their mile markers dialed in outside of the 'ticket' window - ie if you get a ticket on 318 within 30 days of the next race you are DQ'd...
Besides, it's a fun drive - for me that is a 1200 mile round trip...
Now if I can get enough cars to run and a pair of folks to do start/finish line timing we're on :-)
____________
Steven Donegan
SSCC/NORC Car #86
www.sscc.us
--- On Wed, 9/21/11, David in Durango <adin at frontier.net> wrote:
>From: David in Durango <adin at frontier.net>
>Subject: Re: [TPR] WHERE HAVE ALL THE OLD CARS GONE?? Re: SS 2011
>To: steve at donegan.org, "John Bentley" <gndplne at yahoo.com>, "Mad Dog Antenucci"
<teampantera at yahoo.com>
>Cc: "tpr" <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>Date: Wednesday, September 21, 2011, 10:35 PM
>
>
>
>hi guys,
>here are some thoughts from Durango . . .
>
>*I have run the 318, SORC and BBORR courses at legal speeds - the
difference between 75 and 95 is HUGE. Other than learning where the road goes,
I'm not sure its worth the time. Just my opinion.
>*not sure I want to run another ORR without the Pantera!
>*not sure I want to run another ORR and ruin my perfect trophy record (yes,
I know its not important)
>*not sure I want to miss another ORR.
>*"details" in my life are a little up in the air, we'll have to see what
happens.
>
>Fact: ORR is great fun!
>
>later,
>
>David
>----- Original Message -----
>>From: steve at donegan.org
>>To: John Bentley ; David ; Mad Dog Antenucci
>>Cc: tpr
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 11:31 AM
>>Subject: Re: [TPR] WHERE HAVE ALL THE OLD CARS GONE?? Re: SS 2011
>>
>>
>>Trying to arrange a 70 MPH target speed (AKA the limit) run of 318 before the next race to get folks in the groove. Anyone interested :-)
>>
>>____________
>>Steven Donegan
>>SSCC/NORC Car
#86
>>www.sscc.us
>>
>>
>>--- On Wed, 9/21/11, Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>From:
Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
>>>Subject:
Re: [TPR] WHERE HAVE ALL THE OLD CARS GONE?? Re: SS 2011
>>>To: "steve at donegan.org" <steve at donegan.org>, "John Bentley" <gndplne at yahoo.com>, "David" <adin at frontier.net>
>>>Cc: "tpr"
<tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>>>Date:
Wednesday, September 21, 2011, 5:02 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>It would be great if da pope (aka Dave) and the Hawk (aka Steve) both made it out to nevada in May for NORC
>>>NOW getting excited to return
>>>
>>>Mad Dawg Antenucci
>>>Team Pantera Racing
>>>The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing
>>>www.teampanteraracing.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>________________________________
>>> From: "steve at donegan.org" <steve at donegan.org>
>>>To: John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com>; David <adin at frontier.net>
>>>Cc: tpr <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 7:24 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [TPR] WHERE HAVE ALL THE OLD CARS GONE?? Re: SS
2011
>>>
>>>
>>>The Lemonade is always ready and waiting at the finish line :-) So next trip get the door attached and drive the Cat out there :-)
>>>
>>>____________
>>>Steven
Donegan
>>>SSCC/NORC Car #86
>>>www.sscc.us
>>>
>>>
>>>--- On Wed, 9/21/11, David <adin at frontier.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>From:
David <adin at frontier.net>
>>>>Subject: Re: [TPR] WHERE
HAVE ALL THE OLD CARS GONE?? Re: SS 2011
>>>>To: "John Bentley"
<gndplne at yahoo.com>
>>>>Cc: "tpr"
<tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>>>>Date: Wednesday,
September 21, 2011, 1:46 AM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Uh, what time WILL the lemonade be ready?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Porch King
>>>>
>>>>On Sep 20, 2011, at 1:19 PM, John
Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>that's the problem..... can't seem to get anyone to show up anymore. Even those racers with 700 HP engines are still on the front porch swing wondering what time the lemonade will be ready! :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>JB
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>________________________________
>>>>> From: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
>>>>>To: "steve at donegan.org" <steve at donegan.org>; David <adin at frontier.net>
>>>>>Cc: Steve Hawkins <shawkins777 at comcast.net>; John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com>; "tpr at teampanteraracing.com" <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 12:12 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE OLD CARS GONE?? Re: [TPR] SS 2011
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Now that I think about it....the Pantera club has plenty of old special guys with disabilities...not a bad thing if they show up and kick our asses
;-]>
>>>>>of course offering someone $5 grand didn't seem to motivate them either....Bud was only guy who we sponsored in 2010 and of course now that AJ has moved to Brazil (dirty ratbastard) we have no money left in Treasury....I told you fokkers we could NOT trust him....BUT NOOOOO
>>>>>
>>>>>Mad Dawg Antenucci
>>>>>Team Pantera Racing
>>>>>The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing
>>>>>www.teampanteraracing.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>________________________________
>>>>> From: "steve at donegan.org" <steve at donegan.org>
>>>>>To: David <adin at frontier.net>; Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
>>>>>Cc: Steve Hawkins <shawkins777 at comcast.net>; John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com>; "tpr at teampanteraracing.com" <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:08 AM
>>>>>Subject: Re: WHERE HAVE ALL THE OLD CARS GONE?? Re: [TPR] SS 2011
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, I arrived Sunday in Vegas, so
for me it was a solid week of fun :-) Make it a
Pantera gathering, Hotel Sam's Town, starting on the
May or September Sunday before the race (Sam's Town is
a 29$/night hotel kiddies with a buffet that is like
6$ for breakfast etc - ie cheap). That gives folks
several days to enjoy each other before the race stuff
begins...
>>>>>
>>>>>I plan on being in the May and
September events and will definitely do the whole week
thing :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers, from Steve (Speed AKA Irish)
Donegan :-)
>>>>>____________
>>>>>Steven
Donegan
>>>>>SSCC/NORC Car #86
>>>>>www.sscc.us
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--- On Tue, 9/20/11, Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>From:
Mad Dog Antenucci
<teampantera at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>Subject: WHERE HAVE
ALL THE OLD CARS GONE?? Re: [TPR] SS 2011
>>>>>>To:
"steve at donegan.org" <steve at donegan.org>,
"David" <adin at frontier.net>
>>>>>>Cc: "Steve
Hawkins" <shawkins777 at comcast.net>, "John
Bentley" <gndplne at yahoo.com>,
"tpr at teampanteraracing.com"
<tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>>>>>>Date: Tuesday,
September 20, 2011, 5:43 PM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Good post Irish.....sorry we didn't get to spend any time together....another reason these events need to be longer....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>140 cars and too many friends out of that group who we never get enough time to hang with.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Good point on remembering these guys....the best way we can show our support for them is coming back in the spring and yea soon as I get over the part of these guys passing who I knew for years I will move on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Again, great idea on motivating Pantera people to attend.....just showing up and running 100-125 with a old car like the Pantera or a Mustang, or a Corvette or any old car amazes people.....I still get messages and questions from the veterans asking
>>>>>>"WHEN are the Pantera guys coming back"???.......
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Response; "They are retired waiting for any vintage team to show up with 10 cars....we invited Corvette (how many million produced?), Ferrari, Jaguar, Mustang and other clubs several times....I just gave up on the recruitment biz because we have a hard time getting 2 panteras to start....and finish...look at the odds....JB and I finished SilverState Sunday....there was not one vintage car in my division...nothing but Vipers, Z06's, and Porsche's....the oldest car was a 89 Pontiac Firebird....and in JB's case other then Chris's 77 Ford Cobra II and Oliver Perkins in his flat black '79 Vette there was not anything older OR faster...maybe we should just buy NEW cars heh?
>>>>>>NOOOO F'ING WAY!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Okay I must be feeling better....sarcasm is back ;-)>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mad Dawg Antenucci
>>>>>>Team Pantera Racing
>>>>>>The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing
>>>>>>www.teampanteraracing.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>> From: "steve at donegan.org" <steve at donegan.org>
>>>>>>To: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>; David <adin at frontier.net>
>>>>>>Cc: Steve Hawkins <shawkins777 at comcast.net>; John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com>; "tpr at teampanteraracing.com" <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 9:37 AM
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [TPR] SS 2011
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ely newspaper also reported the incident - news is bound to leak. We had a minute of silence for these gentlemen racers at the awards banquet, I will be doing the same daily until May.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That said I'm already
starting preparations for May (and even
September for the 25th anniversary). Mad Dog -
get everyone motivated to have the largest
number of Pantera's ever assembled next
September for that event!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Next mods -
Stillen oil cooler (Setrab 25 row), Mishimoto
160F thermostat, complete the pure silicone
water hose array :-) It's a 370Z, not a Pantera
:-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>____________
>>>>>>Steven
Donegan
>>>>>>SSCC/NORC Car
#86
>>>>>>www.sscc.us
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--- On Tue, 9/20/11, David <adin at frontier.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>From:
David <adin at frontier.net>
>>>>>>>Subject: Re:
[TPR] SS 2011
>>>>>>>To: "Mad Dog Antenucci"
<teampantera at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>Cc: "Steve
Hawkins" <shawkins777 at comcast.net>,
"tpr at teampanteraracing.com"
<tpr at teampanteraracing.com>, "John
Bentley" <gndplne at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>Date:
Tuesday, September 20, 2011, 4:05 PM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Amen to the joy of old and new friends!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It's a sad thought that a brief handshake is all I'll ever know of those good old boys in the parking lot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I know Dennis (?) said the media would be locked down but the Reno media is in a frenzy-I was told this morning that the two deaths were reported as "blew a tire at 200mph" at the Silver State.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Don't forget, the happy pedal works both ways.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Godspeed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>David from Reno.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sep 19,
2011, at 10: PM, Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If a hundred or more things go wrong at speeds even at speeds close to 150 Mph the best safety equipment in the world may not save you....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Still for all those who were looking for an excuse now to NOT do open road racing this is a good excuse not to go or at least not to go fast....Yes, the road is not in as good a shape as it was and neither is nebraska or Texas but it is what it is and as you said once if you need to slow down for the dips or rumble strips then just slow the fok down....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>But going fast and being on the edge is an adrenlin high......and that was what Rick and Merle were doing....right on the edge at 190+ mph speeds.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yea, both these guys will be missed. I spent half of Thursday and Friday with Rick in the parking lot his Camaro and my Pantera side by side.....yea the hard part is seeing someone go you will miss and know he will be missed more by his family.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Its not a sport for the feint of heart.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Mad Dawg Antenucci
>>>>>>>>Team Pantera Racing
>>>>>>>>The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing
>>>>>>>>www.teampanteraracing.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>>>> From: John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>To: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>; Steve Hawkins <shawkins777 at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>Cc: "tpr at teampanteraracing.com" <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 12:54 PM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [TPR] SS 2011
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm also very sad to hear about the Camaro accident. Good guys. We all know (or at least should know) the risks when driving at ORR events, but that doesn't stop our need for speed. You do your homework, you prepare your car, install all the safety equipment you can afford, and work up in the speed classes until you've had enough. But at the end of the day, we all know something can happen and we end up upside-down in the dessert. The is no way to eliminate risk. I thought the road was not in as good of shape as years past.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In time we will deal with this loss and get back in the drivers seat. It was great to get together in Ely and see old friends and some new ones.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>JB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>>>> From: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>To: Steve Hawkins <shawkins777 at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>Cc: "tpr at teampanteraracing.com" <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 7:51 AM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [TPR] SS 2011
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hey Hawk,
>>>>>>>>Short answer is no.........rumor mill has mis-ID'd others who were not even in the car with Rick & Merle....as Rick's son usually drove and his dad (Rick) usually navigated....Merle was a stand in which he has done as navigator many times.....Merle usually works Tech as did Rick.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I am pretty certain having been here when these accidents occur that words like
>>>>>>>>"excessive speed", 'lost control', 'massive injuries/fire/etc are all gonna be used....In Ricks case that Camaro was a beast....full race engine but it also had full cage and they had all the safety gear including head/neck/back restraints, fire suppression.....but its a simple lesson in physics too. ;-(
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>190+ on a crowned 2 lane road that like Nebras and Texas are no where close to being in good shape.....add the new centerline rumble strips that caused Moonshine's accident last year (he was in my race group) I think its noteworthy to say these kind of accidents are rare......but those rumble strips in center lane are little pockets where any road debris, bolts, nails etc can fall into.....also apexing across them on sweeper turns at 155-160 as I was and they shake/rattle the hell out of the car....everyone's car.....but as someone said....these are the course "conditions"......patches of road, dips, blind hills, canyon road, off camber turns....and all this on a crowned road.....so running on ragged edge its just a matter of time and luck to how long it takes you to either lose control or pick up someone's debris.....yea speed kills but so do allot of other things....speed is just a lot faster.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Mad Dawg Antenucci
>>>>>>>>Team Pantera Racing
>>>>>>>>The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing
>>>>>>>>www.teampanteraracing.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>________________________________
>>>>>>>> From: Steve Hawkins <shawkins777 at comcast.net>
>>>>>>>>To:
>>>>>>>>Cc: '{TPR}' <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 3:00 AM
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [TPR] SS 2011
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>MD
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Glad you and JB are OK, very sad to hear about the fatality's. Do they have any idea what happened?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Steve
>>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>From: tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com [mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of B Hower
>>>>>>>>>Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 2:36 AM
>>>>>>>>>To: Mad Dog Antenucci
>>>>>>>>>Cc: {TPR}
>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [TPR] SS 2011
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Mad Dog,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Thanks for the report, I have been
wondering and waiting for results. Glad to
hear you and JB finished without problems. The
accident and lose of lives is truly sad. I
cannot find words to express this
properly.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Bud #3400
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>--- On Mon, 9/19/11, Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>From:
Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>>Subject:
Re: [TPR] SS 2011
>>>>>>>>>>To: "David" <adin at frontier.net>, "asajay at asajay.com" <asajay at asajay.com>
>>>>>>>>>>Cc:
"tpr at teampanteraracing.com" <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
>>>>>>>>>>Date:
Monday, September 19, 2011, 6:50 AM
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Unfortunately while JB and I both finished the run today two of our fellow veteran racers (Rick DeKneef & Merle Hill) died today when their Unlimited red Camaro went off the road, crashed and caught fire....both reported dead at scene. NDOT and Highway Patrol investigators put a press lid on accident.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>We're in Reno tonight and headed back to SF/SJ in morning...After Air Race deaths here in Reno andand deaths today in Ely its not a great time to be in Nevada.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Very sad day.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Mad Dawg Antenucci
>>>>>>>>>>Team Pantera Racing
>>>>>>>>>>The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing
>>>>>>>>>>www.teampanteraracing.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>From: David
<adin at frontier.net>
>>>>>>>>>>To: asajay at asajay.com
>>>>>>>>>>Cc: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>>>>>>>>>>Sent:
Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:30 AM
>>>>>>>>>>Subject:
[TPR] SS 2011
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>JB and the Dawg got teched
yesterday in spite of too much fun Friday nite.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>As soon as I got Dennis buckled in and a
few pictures shot I left. Beautiful day and lots
of good noises!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>David, leaving
Ely
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>><photo.JPG>
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