[TPR] Fw: TEST DAY 3 180 THERMOSTAT Results of Test 7
Mad Dog Antenucci
teampantera at yahoo.com
Sat Jul 16 09:49:43 PDT 2011
FYI
Mad Dawg Antenucci
Team Pantera Racing
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing
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From: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
Cc: art stephens <artstephens at verizon.net>; Bill Wright <billwright at socal.rr.com>; "Miketrusty at msn.com" <Miketrusty at msn.com>; John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 9:26 AM
Subject: TEST DAY 3 180 THERMOSTAT Results of Test 7
Success.....Art brow beat me into re-doing the test one more time and it worked. . .or I should say cough-cough,,,,,,it worked soon as I got my eyes OFF the hat not moving!
Thinking about calling Summit....no never mind! ;-)>
D-MANN YOU TO HELL Stephens.....
Mad Dawg Antenucci
Team Pantera Racing
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing
www.teampanteraracing.com
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From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] TEST DAY 2 180 THERMOSTAT Results of Test 4 THRU 6
Please note, this thermostat does -not- have the hat on it. I plugged the bypass port in my Pantera engine so the hat is unnecessary. I ended up with a different thermostat in it. You might also notice the hole drilled on the side. That was to allow bleeding of air in the system past the thermostat without it actually being open. It helps prevent an air-lock just under the thermostat.
However, it doesn't prevent an air-lock at the water pump if you're
filling the system fresh.... ask me how I know.
Asa Jay
Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
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On 7/15/2011 8:50 PM, Asa Jay Laughton wrote:
Here you go. This shows how the RobertShaw style thermostat opens. It's tricky. You'll need to keep it in water hot enough to open, for some time. Thermostats don't just pop open, they move very slowly. Once you are up to temp on the water, you need to give it a good five minutes to move and see daylight.
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>Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
****************************** http://www.racingagainstautism.com http://www.teampanteraracing.com http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>On 7/15/2011 6:30 PM, Mad Dog Antenucci wrote:
>Thanks guys....Gonna try one more trick Art suggested....if it doesn't work I am blaming Art.......if it works I'll take the credit....otherwise I gotta get Dick Drenske off his sick bed! ;-)>
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>>Its Miller time!
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>>Mad Dawg Antenucci
>>Team Pantera Racing
>>The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing
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>>To: michael at michaelshortt.com; Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
>>Cc: Miketrusty at msn.com; asajay at asajay.com; russell fulp <musclebyrussell at hotmail.com>; John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com>; art stephens <artstephens at verizon.net>; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>>Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 6:12 PM
>>Subject: Re: [TPR] TEST DAY 2 180 THERMOSTAT Results of Test 4 THRU 6
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>>Yes, taping the grille will help control temps.
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>>I am guessing the tuner (Mike T?) would want well controlled and even temps. I have no idea how the software is set up, but I would think there is some provision for warmup/temp variances. ?
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>>If it were my project, I would want everything gnat's ass spot on for the ORR runs and screw the rest. Now, we are back to taping.
>>Now, taping works great. I use it in winter to try to bring temps up (hiway driving at 32 degrees is a little different than going to the mall in summer, eh?) but every condition changes and then one must jump out and rip tape off, or apply a few more rows. Kind of a funky thang to do in public when you are driving a nice purple Pantera. do the chebbie driver have to do this? do we care?
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>>It would seem to be simple/easy to toss in the appropriate t'stat and go off tuning . . . . and this, indeed should be the case. but it isn't.
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>>I would think the level of tuning you seek will require careful control - so, no answers. Wish I could be privvy to the thought process.
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>>Let us know what happens! (and keep the duct tape handy)
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>>Remember: I said not to mess w/ your ORR tune.
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>>rubber side down
>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: michael at michaelshortt.com
>>>To: Mad Dog Antenucci
>>>Cc: Miketrusty at msn.com ; asajay at asajay.com ; russell fulp ; John Bentley ; art stephens ; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
>>>Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 3:23 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [TPR] TEST DAY 2 180 THERMOSTAT Results of Test 4 THRU 6
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>>>this why NASCAR boys put tape on the radiator openings.
>>>try that as a temp measure.
>>>Michael
>>>On Jul 15, 2011 5:01 PM, "Mad Dog Antenucci" <teampantera at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Okay guys......I am pretty frustrated......
>>>>
>>>> As some of you know I wanted to get ready for
efi tuner tomorrow who is coming to install wide
band sensor and gauge in the Pantera.
>>>>
>>>> I planned to replace my 160 with a 180F
Thermostat because my water temps were running too
cool on the street....how cool?
>>>>
>>>> Well after 20-25 minutes water temp wasn't much
over 160? Wired a second gauge to check if perhaps
the gauge was wrong but 2nd gauge was within +/- 5
degrees (VDO vs ProComp).
>>>>
>>>> I got the 2nd replacement FlowKooler Robert
Shaw 180F thermostat with Summits apology 12 hours
after I called them and I said the one they sent
did not open up....no hesitation...they said I did
the test right and would send out a
replacement....so great service from Summit....and
yes this is the same 351-C thermostat that AJ said
Dan's recommended....so AJ AND DAN are to blame
>>>> here ;-)>
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>>>> So for JB's, Russ Fulps and Mike T's benefit
who haven't been following this idiot thread I will
add a little history here because I am baffled and
need more then the usual hugs.
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>>>> The last time Dick installed Russ Fulps
overhauled engine with MikeT's IR-EFI Dick showed
me a trick 2 years ago to test the thermostat was
working before it was installed....which was to get
water heated up and at a +/- 160 the hat popped up
or open WITH the 160 thermostat....which it did with
in seconds of immersion in the hot 160+F water.
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>>>> As a side note I have had perfect +/- 180-190
water and oil temps in WOT at the SORC and the SSCC
orr's for last 3 years with out any problems (7-8
orr's)a.....however running on the street at legal
speeds unless it is a hot 85F day and/or the car is
sitting still for 20+ minutes in traffic or more (
which I agree is not often) I can NOT get the water
and oil temps up to operating temps unless I stand
on it...not advisable around here! ;-).....
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>>>> When the water temp does go up so does the oil
temp and to Dicks credit the temps stay in the
180-200 range no matter how long I sit in
traffic....which happened driving back from Reno a
couple weeks ago. Soon as I came down off the H-395
and the Sierra's to the I-15 freeway it got HOT and
the traffic was moving at a crawl from San Bernadino
to Huntington Beach so in that case the water and
oil jumped up to 180-190 and the engine ran
beautiful at 5-15 mph! ;-)))
>>>>
>>>> Okay, great learning tool/lesson from Dick but
the one Summit sent yesterday and TODAY did not open
up or 'appear' to open up....and yea as MikeT
suggested I watched for a slow opening and that did
not happen either.
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>>>> So I am imagining <grin> I have FUBAR?
>>>>
>>>> With the new replacement thermostat in hand and
a second new thermometer in hand I once again
heated the water to 160, then 170, then 180, and
place the thermosat back in the water......watching
and waiting for the thermostat to open was like
watching paint dry.....nothing happened......temps
went to 190-200.....I waited easily 20-25
seconds....and then stoppped....YES thermostat fully
immersed in heated water.
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>>>> TEST #2 Same except I let the thermostat sit in
water watched for any hat movement and again nothing
happened....water boiled....thermostat did not
'appear' to open..
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>>>> I give up...wanted to get it installed before
efi tuner comes by tomorrow so if you have any
suggestions let me know. Yea, I don't want to pull
the existing 160F thermostat out of the block this
close to tuner visit tomorrow morning....he's adding
wide bad sensor so I don't need to change out the
thermostat today or tomorrow for him to do his
thing.
>>>>
>>>> Mad Dawg Antenucci
>>>> Team Pantera Racing
>>>> The 1st & still the only vintage race team
in open road racing
>>>> www.teampanteraracing.com
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