[TPR] TEST DAY 2 180 THERMOSTAT Results of Test 4 THRU 6
Asa Jay Laughton
asajay at asajay.com
Fri Jul 15 20:50:39 PDT 2011
Here you go. This shows how the RobertShaw style thermostat opens.
It's tricky. You'll need to keep it in water hot enough to open, for
some time. Thermostats don't just pop open, they move very slowly.
Once you are up to temp on the water, you need to give it a good five
minutes to move and see daylight.
Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
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On 7/15/2011 6:30 PM, Mad Dog Antenucci wrote:
> Thanks guys....Gonna try one more trick Art suggested....if it doesn't
> work I am blaming Art.......if it works I'll take the
> credit....otherwise I gotta get Dick Drenske off his sick bed! ;-)>
>
> Its Miller time!
> */Mad Dawg Antenucci
> /Team Pantera Racing*
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> *From:* David in Durango <adin at frontier.net>
> *To:* michael at michaelshortt.com; Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* Miketrusty at msn.com; asajay at asajay.com; russell fulp
> <musclebyrussell at hotmail.com>; John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com>; art
> stephens <artstephens at verizon.net>; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> *Sent:* Friday, July 15, 2011 6:12 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] TEST DAY 2 180 THERMOSTAT Results of Test 4 THRU 6
>
> Yes, taping the grille will help control temps.
> I am guessing the tuner (Mike T?) would want well controlled and even
> temps. I have no idea how the software is set up, but I would think
> there is some provision for warmup/temp variances. ?
> If it were my project, I would want everything gnat's ass spot on for
> the ORR runs and screw the rest. Now, we are back to taping.
> Now, taping works great. I use it in winter to try to bring temps up
> (hiway driving at 32 degrees is a little different than going to the
> mall in summer, eh?) but every condition changes and then one must
> jump out and rip tape off, or apply a few more rows. Kind of a funky
> thang to do in public when you are driving a nice purple Pantera. do
> the chebbie driver have to do this? do we care?
> It would seem to be simple/easy to toss in the appropriate t'stat and
> go off tuning . . . . and this, indeed should be the case. but it isn't.
> I would think the level of tuning you seek will require careful
> control - so, no answers. Wish I could be privvy to the thought process.
> Let us know what happens! (and keep the duct tape handy)
> Remember: I said not to mess w/ your ORR tune.
> rubber side down
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* michael at michaelshortt.com <mailto:michael at michaelshortt.com>
> *To:* Mad Dog Antenucci <mailto:teampantera at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* Miketrusty at msn.com <mailto:Miketrusty at msn.com> ;
> asajay at asajay.com <mailto:asajay at asajay.com> ; russell fulp
> <mailto:musclebyrussell at hotmail.com> ; John Bentley
> <mailto:gndplne at yahoo.com> ; art stephens
> <mailto:artstephens at verizon.net> ; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
> <mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, July 15, 2011 3:23 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] TEST DAY 2 180 THERMOSTAT Results of Test 4
> THRU 6
>
> this why NASCAR boys put tape on the radiator openings.
> try that as a temp measure.
> Michael
> On Jul 15, 2011 5:01 PM, "Mad Dog Antenucci"
> <teampantera at yahoo.com <mailto:teampantera at yahoo.com>> wrote:
> > Okay guys......I am pretty frustrated......
> >
> > As some of you know I wanted to get ready for efi tuner tomorrow
> who is coming to install wide band sensor and gauge in the Pantera.
> >
> > I planned to replace my 160 with a 180F Thermostat because my
> water temps were running too cool on the street....how cool?
> >
> > Well after 20-25 minutes water temp wasn't much over 160? Wired
> a second gauge to check if perhaps the gauge was wrong but 2nd
> gauge was within +/- 5 degrees (VDO vs ProComp).
> >
> > I got the 2nd replacement FlowKooler Robert Shaw 180F
> thermostat with Summits apology 12 hours after I called them and
> I said the one they sent did not open up....no hesitation...they
> said I did the test right and would send out a replacement....so
> great service from Summit....and yes this is the same 351-C
> thermostat that AJ said Dan's recommended....so AJ AND DAN are to
> blame
> > here ;-)>
> >
> > So for JB's, Russ Fulps and Mike T's benefit who haven't been
> following this idiot thread I will add a little history here
> because I am baffled and need more then the usual hugs.
> >
> > The last time Dick installed Russ Fulps overhauled engine with
> MikeT's IR-EFI Dick showed me a trick 2 years ago to test the
> thermostat was working before it was installed....which was to get
> water heated up and at a +/- 160 the hat popped up or open WITH
> the 160 thermostat....which it did with in seconds of immersion in
> the hot 160+F water.
> >
> > As a side note I have had perfect +/- 180-190 water and oil
> temps in WOT at the SORC and the SSCC orr's for last 3 years with
> out any problems (7-8 orr's)a.....however running on the street at
> legal speeds unless it is a hot 85F day and/or the car is sitting
> still for 20+ minutes in traffic or more ( which I agree is not
> often) I can NOT get the water and oil temps up to operating temps
> unless I stand on it...not advisable around here! ;-).....
> >
> > When the water temp does go up so does the oil temp and to Dicks
> credit the temps stay in the 180-200 range no matter how long I
> sit in traffic....which happened driving back from Reno a couple
> weeks ago. Soon as I came down off the H-395 and the Sierra's to
> the I-15 freeway it got HOT and the traffic was moving at a crawl
> from San Bernadino to Huntington Beach so in that case the water
> and oil jumped up to 180-190 and the engine ran beautiful at 5-15
> mph! ;-)))
> >
> > Okay, great learning tool/lesson from Dick but the one Summit
> sent yesterday and TODAY did not open up or 'appear' to open
> up....and yea as MikeT suggested I watched for a slow opening and
> that did not happen either.
> >
> > So I am imagining <grin> I have FUBAR?
> >
> > With the new replacement thermostat in hand and a second new
> thermometer in hand I once again heated the water to 160, then
> 170, then 180, and place the thermosat back in the
> water......watching and waiting for the thermostat to open was
> like watching paint dry.....nothing happened......temps went to
> 190-200.....I waited easily 20-25 seconds....and then
> stoppped....YES thermostat fully immersed in heated water.
> >
> > TEST #2 Same except I let the thermostat sit in water watched
> for any hat movement and again nothing happened....water
> boiled....thermostat did not 'appear' to open..
> >
> > I give up...wanted to get it installed before efi tuner comes by
> tomorrow so if you have any suggestions let me know. Yea, I don't
> want to pull the existing 160F thermostat out of the block this
> close to tuner visit tomorrow morning....he's adding wide bad
> sensor so I don't need to change out the thermostat today or
> tomorrow for him to do his thing.
> >
> > Mad Dawg Antenucci
> > Team Pantera Racing
> > The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing
> > www.teampanteraracing.com <http://www.teampanteraracing.com>
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