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Here you go. This shows how the RobertShaw style thermostat opens.
It's tricky. You'll need to keep it in water hot enough to open,
for some time. Thermostats don't just pop open, they move very
slowly. Once you are up to temp on the water, you need to give it a
good five minutes to move and see daylight.<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
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On 7/15/2011 6:30 PM, Mad Dog Antenucci wrote:
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<div><span>Thanks guys....Gonna try one more trick Art
suggested....if it doesn't work I am blaming Art.......if it
works I'll take the credit....otherwise I gotta get Dick
Drenske off his sick bed! ;-)></span></div>
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<div><span>Its Miller time!</span></div>
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<hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b>
David in Durango <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:adin@frontier.net"><adin@frontier.net></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com">michael@michaelshortt.com</a>; Mad Dog Antenucci
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Friday, July 15, 2011 6:12 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [TPR] TEST DAY 2 180 THERMOSTAT Results of Test 4 THRU
6<br>
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<div>Yes, taping the grille will help control temps.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I am guessing the tuner (Mike T?) would want well
controlled and even temps. I have no idea how the
software is set up, but I would think there is some
provision for warmup/temp variances. ?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>If it were my project, I would want everything gnat's
ass spot on for the ORR runs and screw the rest. Now,
we are back to taping.</div>
<div>Now, taping works great. I use it in winter to try
to bring temps up (hiway driving at 32 degrees is a
little different than going to the mall in summer, eh?)
but every condition changes and then one must jump out
and rip tape off, or apply a few more rows. Kind of a
funky thang to do in public when you are driving a nice
purple Pantera. do the chebbie driver have to do this?
do we care?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>It would seem to be simple/easy to toss in the
appropriate t'stat and go off tuning . . . . and this,
indeed should be the case. but it isn't.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I would think the level of tuning you seek will
require careful control - so, no answers. Wish I could
be privvy to the thought process.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Let us know what happens! (and keep the duct tape
handy)</div>
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<div>Remember: I said not to mess w/ your ORR tune.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>rubber side down</div>
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<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Friday, July
15, 2011 3:23 PM</div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TPR]
TEST DAY 2 180 THERMOSTAT Results of Test 4 THRU 6</div>
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<div>this why NASCAR boys put tape on the radiator
openings.</div>
<div>try that as a temp measure.</div>
<div>Michael </div>
<div class="yiv1340223862gmail_quote">On Jul 15, 2011
5:01 PM, "Mad Dog Antenucci" <<a
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wrote:<br>
> Okay guys......I am pretty frustrated......<br>
> <br>
> As some of you know I wanted to get ready for efi
tuner tomorrow who is coming to install wide band
sensor and gauge in the Pantera.<br>
> <br>
> I planned to replace my 160 with a 180F
Thermostat because my water temps were running too
cool on the street....how cool?<br>
> <br>
> Well after 20-25 minutes water temp wasn't much
over 160? Wired a second gauge to check if perhaps the
gauge was wrong but 2nd gauge was within +/- 5
degrees (VDO vs ProComp).<br>
> <br>
> I got the 2nd replacement FlowKooler Robert Shaw
180F thermostat with Summits apology 12 hours after I
called them and I said the one they sent did not open
up....no hesitation...they said I did the test right
and would send out a replacement....so great service
from Summit....and yes this is the same 351-C
thermostat that AJ said Dan's recommended....so AJ AND
DAN are to blame <br>
> here ;-)><br>
> <br>
> So for JB's, Russ Fulps and Mike T's benefit who
haven't been following this idiot thread I will add a
little history here because I am baffled and need more
then the usual hugs. <br>
> <br>
> The last time Dick installed Russ Fulps
overhauled engine with MikeT's IR-EFI Dick showed me
a trick 2 years ago to test the thermostat was working
before it was installed....which was to get water
heated up and at a +/- 160 the hat popped up or open
WITH the 160 thermostat....which it did with in
seconds of immersion in the hot 160+F water. <br>
> <br>
> As a side note I have had perfect +/- 180-190
water and oil temps in WOT at the SORC and the SSCC
orr's for last 3 years with out any problems (7-8
orr's)a.....however running on the street at legal
speeds unless it is a hot 85F day and/or the car is
sitting still for 20+ minutes in traffic or more (
which I agree is not often) I can NOT get the water
and oil temps up to operating temps unless I stand on
it...not advisable around here! ;-).....<br>
> <br>
> When the water temp does go up so does the oil
temp and to Dicks credit the temps stay in the 180-200
range no matter how long I sit in traffic....which
happened driving back from Reno a couple weeks ago.
Soon as I came down off the H-395 and the Sierra's to
the I-15 freeway it got HOT and the traffic was moving
at a crawl from San Bernadino to Huntington Beach so
in that case the water and oil jumped up to 180-190
and the engine ran beautiful at 5-15 mph! ;-)))<br>
> <br>
> Okay, great learning tool/lesson from Dick but
the one Summit sent yesterday and TODAY did not open
up or 'appear' to open up....and yea as MikeT
suggested I watched for a slow opening and that did
not happen either.<br>
> <br>
> So I am imagining <grin> I have FUBAR? <br>
> <br>
> With the new replacement thermostat in hand and a
second new thermometer in hand I once again heated
the water to 160, then 170, then 180, and place the
thermosat back in the water......watching and waiting
for the thermostat to open was like watching paint
dry.....nothing happened......temps went to
190-200.....I waited easily 20-25 seconds....and then
stoppped....YES thermostat fully immersed in heated
water.<br>
> <br>
> TEST #2 Same except I let the thermostat sit in
water watched for any hat movement and again nothing
happened....water boiled....thermostat did not
'appear' to open..<br>
> <br>
> I give up...wanted to get it installed before efi
tuner comes by tomorrow so if you have any suggestions
let me know. Yea, I don't want to pull the existing
160F thermostat out of the block this close to tuner
visit tomorrow morning....he's adding wide bad sensor
so I don't need to change out the thermostat today or
tomorrow for him to do his thing.<br>
> <br>
> Mad Dawg Antenucci <br>
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