[TPR] TEST DAY 2 180 THERMOSTAT Results of Test 4 THRU 6

[michael@michaelshortt.com]

this why NASCAR boys put tape on the radiator openings.

try that as a temp measure.

Michael
On Jul 15, 2011 5:01 PM, "Mad Dog Antenucci" <teampantera at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Okay guys......I am pretty frustrated......
>
> As some of you know I wanted to get ready for efi tuner tomorrow who is
coming to install wide band sensor and gauge in the Pantera.
>
> I planned to replace my 160 with a 180F Thermostat because my water temps
were running too cool on the street....how cool?
>
> Well after 20-25 minutes water temp wasn't much over 160? Wired a second
gauge to check if perhaps the gauge was wrong but 2nd gauge  was within +/-
5 degrees (VDO vs ProComp).
>
> I  got the 2nd replacement FlowKooler Robert Shaw 180F thermostat with
Summits apology 12 hours after I called  them and I said the one they sent
did not open up....no hesitation...they said I did the test right and would
send out a replacement....so great service from Summit....and yes this is
the same 351-C thermostat that AJ said Dan's recommended....so AJ AND DAN
are to blame
> here ;-)>
>
> So for JB's, Russ Fulps and Mike T's benefit who haven't been following
this idiot thread I will add a little history here because I am baffled and
need more then the usual hugs.
>
> The last time Dick installed Russ Fulps overhauled engine with MikeT's
IR-EFI  Dick showed me a trick 2 years ago to test the thermostat was
working before it was installed....which was to get water heated up and at a
+/- 160 the hat popped up or open WITH the 160 thermostat....which it did
with in seconds of immersion in the hot 160+F water.
>
> As a side note I have had perfect +/- 180-190 water and oil temps in WOT
at the SORC and the SSCC orr's for last 3 years with out any problems (7-8
orr's)a.....however running on the street at legal speeds unless it is a hot
85F day and/or the car is sitting still for 20+ minutes in traffic or more (
which I agree is not often) I can NOT get the water and oil temps up to
operating temps unless I stand on it...not advisable around here!  ;-).....
>
> When the water temp does go up so does the oil temp and to Dicks credit
the temps stay in the 180-200 range no matter how long I sit in
traffic....which happened driving back from Reno a couple weeks ago. Soon as
I came down off the H-395 and the Sierra's to the I-15 freeway it got HOT
and the traffic was moving at a crawl from San Bernadino to Huntington Beach
so in that case the water and oil jumped up to 180-190 and the engine ran
beautiful at 5-15 mph! ;-)))
>
> Okay, great learning tool/lesson from Dick but the one Summit sent
yesterday and TODAY did not open up or 'appear' to open up....and yea as
MikeT suggested  I watched for a slow opening and that did not happen
either.
>
> So I am imagining <grin> I have FUBAR?
>
> With the new replacement thermostat in hand and a second new thermometer
 in hand I once again heated the water to 160, then 170, then 180, and place
the thermosat back in the water......watching and waiting for the thermostat
to open was like watching paint dry.....nothing happened......temps went to
190-200.....I waited easily 20-25 seconds....and then stoppped....YES
thermostat fully immersed in heated water.
>
> TEST #2 Same except I let the thermostat sit in water watched for any hat
movement and again nothing happened....water boiled....thermostat did not
'appear' to open..
>
> I give up...wanted to get it installed before efi tuner comes by tomorrow
so if you have any suggestions let me know. Yea, I don't want to pull the
existing 160F thermostat out of the block this close to tuner visit tomorrow
morning....he's adding wide bad sensor so I don't need to change out the
thermostat today or tomorrow for him to do his thing.
>
> Mad Dawg Antenucci
> Team Pantera Racing
> The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing
> www.teampanteraracing.com
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