[TPR] MAD DAWG ON A RANT - WOOF Re: 2011 Solutions to Outsourcing of American Jobs
Mad Dog Antenucci
teampantera at yahoo.com
Sun Jan 2 22:53:11 PST 2011
Your sure right about English being the language of 1st choice in most countries
but I see allot of interest now by some of the younger engineers working for me
learning Chinese in their off hours....you think they know something we don't?
Secondary schools and college in India and Philippines are all taught in English
as there are so many dialects. In both countries there are more then half a
dozen languages or dialects and even some of the Fillippino's and Indians don't
understand what the hell they are saying to one another unless they speak
English.....yea they have some serious communication issues.
If I had a nickel for every time I asked one of my men, "what did he just say?"
and I got a whispered response,
"I didn't understand him Mr. Dennis"
Mad Dawg Antenucci
Team Pantera Racing
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing
www.teampanteraracing.com
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From: Mike Trusty <miketrusty at msn.com>
To: John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com>; Brian Ward <brian at trinityarmco.com>;
tpr at teampanteraracing.com; Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
Sent: Sun, January 2, 2011 4:18:54 AM
Subject: Re: [TPR] MAD DAWG ON A RANT - WOOF Re: 2011 Solutions to Outsourcing
of American Jobs
Interesting observations by all.
It is interesting about the foreign call centers. The obvious reason that they
exist is that they are cheaper than here in the US but things are changing. You
probably know this but there are more English speaking people in India than in
the United States. Heck, there are more English speaking people in China than
here but the ability to speak English doesn’t mean that you can communicate.
Anyway, I’m blessed with having more work than I can do with the largest
telecommunication company in the world. Guess what type of jobs that I’m
working on more and more. Yep, call centers and right here is middle America.
At least one corporation has seen the light and is shifting away from the
foreign centers.
Also JB has mentioned some points that I think about a lot and have
confrontations with. I boil it down to the difference between book smart and
common sense. I see the same problems that JB mentioned with foreign “educated”
people here with our “educated” youth. I’m being hired more and more by large,
300 plus engineers, firms to design projects for them while helping them
“educate” their engineers. Heck, I was even asked to design their own corporate
headquarters for one firm. Now that is scary.
Mike Trusty
Mike Trusty Engineering
15119 Gorgeous View Trail
Little Rock, AR 72210
501-224-9013
From:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of John Bentley
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2011 12:23 AM
To: Brian Ward; tpr at teampanteraracing.com; Mad Dog Antenucci
Subject: Re: [TPR] MAD DAWG ON A RANT - WOOF Re: 2011 Solutions to Outsourcing
of American Jobs
Having worked with a lot of Indian engineers, I can tell you all the secret
here. They are book-smart people that have no practical hands-on experience of
anything at all. They are good when operating a keyboard, but have no clue as
to which end of a screwdriver to hold. The physical world is out of their
touch. They can do an initial "paper" design, but unfortunately the real world
is not digital and any design needs an occational tweak to operate properly.
After one particular sightseeing flight over San Francisco with a visiting
engineer, when we returned to my hanger I asked him if he did any work on
planes, cars, etc. and his answer was "We don't do any tinkering like
that"....... There you have it, for anything that does not involve a keyboard
entry, there will be problems (at least in my experience).
Additionally they still live by the Caste system where you are placed in society
by your family history, not by your abilities. Not a good combination. I have
worked with engineers from percieved higher Castes that were not in a position
suitable to their talents.
I do have some good friends that are Indian, but I can think of only one that
has any mechanical aptitude at all.
JB
--- On Sat, 1/1/11, Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
Subject: [TPR] MAD DAWG ON A RANT - WOOF Re: 2011 Solutions to Outsourcing of
American Jobs
To: "Brian Ward" <brian at trinityarmco.com>, tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Date: Saturday, January 1, 2011, 7:29 PM
Now you got me started.....and I have not had coffee yet.
Who was it that said,
"We have nothing to fear but fear itself"...I mean besides me? ;-]>
Look, I work with educated so called professional engineers in construction and
IT technician's who are Indians and I don't think we have much to worry about
there. I am allot more concerned by Obama or the lack of jobs for Americans,
and the U.S. deficit then I am of being replaced by Indians.
We just kick their Indian asses on every quantitative or production and quality
issue I have ever had to be a part of. And that does not even address their
lack of independent thinking or their inability to make decisions on the go
unless someone is there wiping their ass they are just not programmed in real
life terms to make decisions on their own without close supervision....
When I look at our kick ass engineers like JB, MikeT, Kirby, Dick, AJ to just
name a few of our guys who also like to GO FAST who are not only GREAT
engineers but GREAT leaders who can also design it, built it, run it, construct
it AND fix it....does anyone really believe there are Indians who can do what
these guys do?
Getthefokouttahere!
The Indian engineer or contractor will have their perspective asses handed to
them in any kind of work environment or competition where they are going head to
head with Americans or Europeans.
On job sites overseas we have even had to mix nationalities on construction and
engineering teams because a crew of all Filippino's as an example doing the same
scheduled scope of work as Indians will just kick the Indians asses in every
aspect of the work and will finish it on time and under budget and then ask you
for more work.
When I talk to our IT guys who are American or European they are are just so far
and ahead of any of the Indian engineers I have had to deal with professionally
I really don't have time to wait days or weeks for an answer to a technical
question which is what it is going to take when I talk to an Indian engineer.
I could be wrong here but again I don't think we have much to worry about.....
We make great products and given the same opportunity to sell our products or
services ANYWHERE in the word (you reading this President Obama) we will kick
ass except maybe for how well we run CALL CENTERS for American Express although
don't get me started on calls to Customer Service. When I hear,
"Hello this is Billy, how can I help you?"....and he sounds like the guy running
the 7-11 store near your house you gotta wonder, 'hey, maybe the dawg is right
this time' ...You KNOW I am
right. ;-]>
I think the best thing we can do is continue to kick ass. And speaking of
kicking asses I got a great letter from Rich Hoppe the other day who many of you
know telling me about his new race engine but I was touched by his hiring of a
fellow Marine veteran he hired at his business.
Now Rich (like the "Hawk") should both be telling us soon about their killer new
race engine in their Pantera's but my point of rambling on like this is so allot
of you who were hit hard in construction or manufacturing or engineering in 2009
or 2010 and had to make some difficult decisions and adjustments in your life
know things are gonna get better.........hell probably every one of YOU reading
this has had their jobs, careers, or retirement investments hit hard or turned
upside down by this recession in the last couple years.
But in this particular case I am mentioning Rich because I know he needed to
hire someone for his company and he hired a vet like you Brian. I am not saying
we shouldn't hire the most qualified person for the job but I am saying young
guys like you Brian have earned it. And many of us old dogs are or will be in a
position to do that in the new year so I hope all of you will who can.
Personally I am more interested in kicking the ass of any Wall Street banker or
mortgage lender or underwriter I can find then I am any poor Indian trying to
make a buck or a ruple.
Okay, you can take that to the bank.... ;Aren't you sorry you even answered my
email Grasshopper? -]>
Mad Dawg Antenucci - still trying to close escrow
Team Pantera Racing
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing
www.teampanteraracing.com
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From:Brian Ward <brian at trinityarmco.com>
To: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Sent: Sat, January 1, 2011 12:09:50 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] 2011 Solutions to Outsourcing of American Jobs
MD,
I knew it was a sarcastic spoof but the possibility is real. Today, more and
more people work for call centers for all types of business. Even engineering
firms contract highly technical design work to home based freelancers as I did
years ago. It is easy to place a job hired by one at home in the hands of less
payed third world individuals. It is more a matter of morals. Most of your
computer scams and attacks come from highly knowledgeable people in those
countries. They are good at what they do and far from the reach of US law. The
internet and will of someone to do this is very possible. My eyes are wide ass
open.
Happy New Year J
Grasshopper
From:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Mad Dog Antenucci
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 11:39 AM
To: Brian Ward; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: Re: [TPR] 2011 Solutions to Outsourcing of American Jobs
Yea, they are kidding.....watch it again.....its a slam with a big dose of
sarcasm. ;-)>
Mad Dawg Antenucci
Team Pantera Racing
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing
www.teampanteraracing.com
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From:Brian Ward <brian at trinityarmco.com>
To: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>; tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Sent: Fri, December 31, 2010 3:26:13 PM
Subject: Re: [TPR] 2011 Solutions to Outsourcing of American Jobs
You have got to be kidding…. Americans are already lazy and getting lazier by
each hand out… Oh, and when I say Americans, I am not referring to the honest
hardworking minority. I should probably have a better name for them but
unfortunately they were born on my soil….
Caio
Red Blooded American Grasshopper
From:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com
[mailto:tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com] On Behalf Of Mad Dog Antenucci
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 12:47 PM
To: tpr at teampanteraracing.com
Subject: [TPR] 2011 Solutions to Outsourcing of American Jobs
Happy New Year one more time.
Watch both episodes in the onion. Right now I am thinking about setting up an
office in Bangladesh or Republic of Congo....very talented yet low overhead.
Women, booze and operating costs all very low.
Mad Dawg Antenucci
Team Pantera Racing
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing
www.teampanteraracing.com
The next step in out sourcing - This is wonderful, I need to start looking into
this soon..
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/more_american_workers_outsourcing
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