[TPR] 180 Headers Singing

Tue Sep 3 18:30:36 PDT 2024

There are two problems with the Aluminum tape, as it’s a temporary fix.
The 2 mil acrylic adhesive will give you an initial snug fit then burn off and turn to carbon, so once that happens your gap and rattle may return.
The Aluminum is softer that the steel header and will first deform then powders into dust, again the rattle will return
So, fit it as tight as you can as it will go away with heat and vibrations

Larry

From: TPR <tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com> on behalf of David Carpenter via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Reply-To: David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>
Date: Tuesday, September 3, 2024 at 6:07 PM
To: Owen Lee Green <oneeyez4263 at gmail.com>, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
Cc: Chris Terp <chris at theseminargroup.net>, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>, Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Subject: Re: [TPR] 180 Headers Singing

Yep!!

Perfect!!!!

Or aluminum foil of any kind.  Folded if you need thicker. (It even comes in exhaust clamp box for semi's.)

If clamp gets stretched a little....insert & reseal!!!

Works like a charm!!

That 100 mph tape: we used on M&M car wheel weights.

Everything else flew off when wheels got HOT!!

That tape has Serious Stickin Power!!!

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Harry Truman

From: Owen Lee Green <oneeyez4263 at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2024 6:51:33 PM
To: DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
Cc: Chris Terp <chris at theseminargroup.net>; David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>; Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>; Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Subject: Re: [TPR] 180 Headers Singing 

Take a section of the tape and put it on the slide in and that will probably be thin enough that you can get both parts back together and the tape fills the gap in-between the pipes. No more rattle and seals the gap.

On Tue, Sep 3, 2024, 4:12 PM DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com> wrote:

He certainly is our McQuiver. 

MD

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On Sep 3, 2024, at 4:08 PM, Chris Terp via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote:

Asa, aka McGyver

Christopher Terp

The Seminar Group

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Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2024 3:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [TPR] 180 Headers Singing

AWESOME....thanks Asa

md

On Tuesday, September 3, 2024 at 01:29:13 PM PDT, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote: 

No… but…..

I have what they called in the Air Force, 100 MPH tape.  It is an aluminized duct tape.

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Romeda Aluminum Tape, 2 inch x 65 Feet Foil Tape (3.9 mil), Insulation Adhesive Metal Tape, High Temperature Heavy Duty HVAC Tape, Silver Tape Aluminum Foil Tape for Ductwork, Dryer Vent, HVACamazon.com

I’ve got a roll of that and can bring it.  It may not cure the rattle but might help the exhaust leakage a little.

Asa  Jay

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On Sep 3, 2024, at 12:29, David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com> wrote:

Do they make any HIGH TEMP DUCT TAPE???

Just saying!!!

Lolololol

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Harry Truman

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Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2024 8:55:04 AM
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Subject: Re: [TPR] 180 Headers Singing 

Your right Asa....no gaskets to the center balance tubes....just slip joint.....the solution for SS will have to be a temp one...but I am also sure once they are hot at WOT the noise will decrease assuming my 8th grade science class was right about heat expansion!

MD

On Tuesday, September 3, 2024 at 07:26:27 AM PDT, Asa Jay Laughton via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote: 

The trouble with welding is that the two sides need to come apart to get the headers out.  I’m not sure of the process but it seems to me the slip joint needs to be resized for what had to originally be a friction-sealable fit.  His earlier set of 180s had a flat flange and gasket that met in the middle, but it was kind of big and ugly.  His current set are so much sexier I’m sure he’s getting laid more. 

I doubt there is any kind of gasketing there but again, I don’t know how these normally go together.

Asa  Jay 

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On Sep 3, 2024, at 06:03, David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com> wrote:

Or if still have good solid metal: New clamp or Re-use old one: (new is best, they're subject to STRETCHING & that often leads to what you now have.)

ADD some exhaust epoxy paste under clamp.

Tighten clamp 80% & wipe off any that squeezed out.

Let it harden.

Next day tighten 100%.

You got a good looking engine bay.

Like Owen said:

ME spit balling too!!!

CD#3

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Harry Truman

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Sent: Monday, September 2, 2024 9:23:41 AM
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Cc: DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com>; Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Subject: Re: [TPR] 180 Headers Singing

Maybe set up a couple of collars similar to standard header connector rings. If space required between insert a couple of springs to maintain tension. But I'm just spit balling.

On Mon, Sep 2, 2024, 8:18 AM Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:

I tried tightening it previously and got it to stop for a while.  I think the flip joint has worn out and become bigger than it should.  Something to address when they are taken off next time. 

Asa  Jay 

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On Sep 2, 2024, at 08:04, Owen Lee Green via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote:

Got a TIG? Blaze it in a couple of spots.

On Mon, Sep 2, 2024, 8:01 AM DENNIS ANTENUCCI via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote:

Pantera is running great. Did not need to change the oil but did so anyway. Took her out for a hard drive and all is well…..EXCEPT the 180’s at the cross over balance tube started rattling. Not as noticeable once the headers are hot but I am deaf too. Neighbor came by and asked if everything was good (he heard it too!)…he put a gloved hand on the balance tube and the  rattling stopped. I Suggested he may need to sit in the engine bay in 14 days or I just go faster so I cant hear the sound. 

Checked all the header bolts but problem is at center tube where there is a slip connection. But if that is all I have to complain about I am ready. Checked out the new trailer and it is ready aa well. 

MD
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