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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Curious what or where you think we can improve there.?</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><br></div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Dennis</div><div><br></div>
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On Monday, September 23, 2024 at 07:32:25 PM PDT, Asa Jay Laughton via TPR <tpr@teampanteraracing.com> wrote:
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Found them.<br clear="none">
2021 Alignment result:<br clear="none">
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2022 Alignment result:<br clear="none">
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<pre class="ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054moz-signature">Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
Spokane County ARES-RACES-ACS EC/RO
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<div id="ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054yqtfd39720" class="ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054yqt8257711266"><div class="ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054moz-cite-prefix">On 9/23/2024 16:59, David Carpenter via
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<div>5-7 degrees caster at speed, will react very
smooth.</div>
<div>Same caster @ 20-50 mph can be a handful. (I
chose the speed side, & loved w the minor downside at slow
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<div>Yes: toe should be Very Close to Zero. </div>
<div>Like Larry said: even minor Toe Out makes the
steering Hunt!! (You can never ever let go of wheel)</div>
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<div>Tire size change:</div>
<div>The alignment was very likely done with the OLD
WHEELS!!!</div>
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<div>The alignment specs might been right.</div>
<div>Different wheels may have changed it all!!!</div>
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<div>Alignment can be Checked Only:</div>
<div>Compare print out from when it was done before.</div>
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<div>If 'A' arms adjusted /checked as he suggests:
alignment needs to be done AFTER any 'A' arm changes....if you
go that route.</div>
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<div>Without a print out of alignment specs: without a
ride along: it's dang hard to speculate from afar!!</div>
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<div>I've even seen air pressure & tread designs be
the culprit!!</div>
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<div>Not that the tread is wrong: but it could be wrong
for a certain road condition.</div>
<div>Or someone had directional tires.....with Half the
arrows wrong!!!!!</div>
<div>(I was SURE I HAD SEEN IT ALL.....TIL THEN!!!)</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 23, 2024 3:42:05 PM<br clear="none">
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TPR] Pantera Alignment</font>
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<p class="ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054x_MsoNormal">Just give me where you are at and I can
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<p class="ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054x_MsoNormal">Larry</p>
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<b>Date: </b>Monday, September 23, 2024 at 2:01 PM<br clear="none">
<b>To: </b>Owen Lee Green
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [TPR] Pantera Alignment</span></p>
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<p class="ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Excellent
feedback....thank you Larry....think we are hitting on
the real issue which is alignment settings. What I
noticed with the added 6 or 7 degrees of caster was
the Pantera LOVED the sweeper turns at speed like it
did the long straight-aways but it did NOT like the
long straight aways....so clearly this is alignment
settings.</span></p>
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<p class="ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">On
Monday, September 23, 2024 at 01:42:41 PM PDT, Larry
Stock <a shape="rect" href="mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com" class="ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><larrys@panteraparts.com></a> wrote:
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<p class="ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054x_ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">I
generally set up with spring rates in the 400
pound range +/-50 lbs., with rear springs 25
pounds (+/-25 pounds) more than the front
springs.</span></p>
<p class="ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054x_ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">A-Arms
need to be adjusted flat and parallel with the
road surface front and rear</span></p>
<p class="ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054x_ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">TOE-IN
@ 1/16” on each corner making .125” total
front and rear. NOTE any rear toe out is loose
and squirrely, Front toe out wants to initiate
turns quickly and dart</span></p>
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<p class="ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054x_ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">CAMBER
with 15” tires negative ½ degree +/-1/4 degree
on all 4 corners</span></p>
<p class="ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054x_ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">CAMBER
with 17”-18” tires negative 0-1/4 degree on
all 4 corners, with 37PSI Front, 35PSI rear
tire pressure</span></p>
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<p class="ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054x_ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">CASTER
MAX stock is 2-2-1/2 degrees, Pantera’s wants
more with 17”+ tires. I get 4-4-1/2 degrees
with offset bushings and shaved upper Ball
joints. Modified or Aluminum A-Arms should
give you up to 8 degrees, I’d try 6 degrees
and make sure the steering wheel doesn’t want
to cut your hands off at the wrist after
making a turn. More caster will make the
Pantera more stable at speed, too much will be
a handful when turning.</span></p>
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Stock</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<b>Reply-To: </b>Owen Lee Green
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<b>Date: </b>Monday, September 23, 2024
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<b>To: </b>Mad Dog Antenucci
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<b>Cc: </b>Team Racing
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Wallace
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [TPR] Pantera
Alignment</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">Slightly
softer spring rate in the front might help.
Was the front feeling like it was bucking at
speed? Eg bouncing hard but aero downforce
keeping the nose down.
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Mon, Sep 23, 2024, 12:36 PM Mad Dog
Antenucci via TPR <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com" class="ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054moz-txt-link-freetext" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tpr@teampanteraracing.com</a>>
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am coming out of my latest COVID
Fog but recall Mark and I and some
of you had discussions on while
his Z06 this year and my C8 last
year handling was no better then
how well our Pantera's alignment
was set up. Except my Pantera in
2022 and again this year (2024)
just did not track as well as it
did in 2021 with 17" front tires.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p class="ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054x_ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#26282A;">Bare
with me as I know some of you will
have different views here but what
changed on my Pantera. One was
going to 18" front wheels and the
other big change was adding the
extended A arms that Asa put on
from Johnny woods. </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p class="ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054x_ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#26282A;">Asa
suggested the road surface may
have been the problem but Mark and
I have seen just bad road
conditions in previous years at
140-160+ speeds. So I am leaning
now on suspension settings
first....and it was suggested
adding toe in or out may be the
problem.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p class="ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054x_ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#26282A;">When
I got the Pantera back from As
after he had a local alignment
shop reset suspension the Pantera
felt fine at speeds up to a 100 or
so but unfortunately the only
thing that matters is real road
conditions at 150+. I only average
134 this year and not sure I would
have wanted to handle much more
then 140 comfortably.....that
sweet spot for me....a 140-150
Average....but again something is
off.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p class="ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054x_ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#26282A;">Others
suggested the wheels might have
been off but they were so well
balanced from the factory only one
wheel needed a corrected weight.
Much better then I ever saw with
other vendors wheels. So let me
know your thoughts but what I hope
is that Jim and Pat will come up
with what settings they are using
or others are using on Pantera's
running endurance speeds.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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