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<div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Great input, thanks Dave...I think the TOE alignment issue may be my problem....steering does feel like it is '<b style="background-color: rgb(253, 239, 43);">hunting</b>' and that has not been an issue prior to suspension changes.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false">Air pressures and tire sizes and treads all in right direction....and ASA did align the Pantera after the suspension changes but of course he did not have anywhere near the shop or his home shop to test the Pantera at the speeds I am running 140-160. And everything felt good at slow speeds under a 100 or so.</div><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"> </div><div><br></div>
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On Monday, September 23, 2024 at 04:59:44 PM PDT, David Carpenter <davecarp80138@outlook.com> wrote:
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<div>Larry's thoughts on settings: absolutely correct.</div>
<div>5-7 degrees caster at speed, will react very smooth.</div>
<div>Same caster @ 20-50 mph can be a handful. (I chose the speed side, & loved w the minor downside at slow speeds.</div>
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<div>Yes: toe should be Very Close to Zero. </div>
<div>Like Larry said: even minor Toe Out makes the steering Hunt!! (You can never ever let go of wheel)</div>
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<div>Tire size change:</div>
<div>The alignment was very likely done with the OLD WHEELS!!!</div>
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<div>The alignment specs might been right.</div>
<div>Different wheels may have changed it all!!!</div>
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<div>Alignment can be Checked Only:</div>
<div>Compare print out from when it was done before.</div>
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<div>If 'A' arms adjusted /checked as he suggests: alignment needs to be done AFTER any 'A' arm changes....if you go that route.</div>
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<div>Without a print out of alignment specs: without a ride along: it's dang hard to speculate from afar!!</div>
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<div>I've even seen air pressure & tread designs be the culprit!!</div>
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<div>Not that the tread is wrong: but it could be wrong for a certain road condition.</div>
<div>Or someone had directional tires.....with Half the arrows wrong!!!!!</div>
<div>(I was SURE I HAD SEEN IT ALL.....TIL THEN!!!)</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 23, 2024 3:42:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera@yahoo.com>; Owen Lee Green <oneeyez4263@gmail.com><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TPR] Pantera Alignment</font>
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<b>Date: </b>Monday, September 23, 2024 at 2:01 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Owen Lee Green <oneeyez4263@gmail.com>, Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Team Racing <tpr@teampanteraracing.com>, Jim Wallace <j.wallace@boston-group.com>, Patrick Mical <pmical@patsauto.com><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [TPR] Pantera Alignment</span></p>
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<p class="ydpab56a06cyiv0949294952x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">Excellent feedback....thank you Larry....think we are hitting on the real issue which is alignment settings. What I noticed with the added 6 or 7 degrees of caster was the Pantera
LOVED the sweeper turns at speed like it did the long straight-aways but it did NOT like the long straight aways....so clearly this is alignment settings.</span></p>
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<p class="ydpab56a06cyiv0949294952x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">On Monday, September 23, 2024 at 01:42:41 PM PDT, Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com> wrote:
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<p class="ydpab56a06cyiv0949294952x_ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">I generally set up with spring rates in the 400 pound range +/-50 lbs., with rear springs 25 pounds (+/-25 pounds) more than the front
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<p class="ydpab56a06cyiv0949294952x_ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">A-Arms need to be adjusted flat and parallel with the road surface front and rear</span></p>
<p class="ydpab56a06cyiv0949294952x_ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">TOE-IN @ 1/16” on each corner making .125” total front and rear. NOTE any rear toe out is loose and squirrely, Front toe out wants to
initiate turns quickly and dart</span></p>
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<p class="ydpab56a06cyiv0949294952x_ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">CAMBER with 15” tires negative ½ degree +/-1/4 degree on all 4 corners</span></p>
<p class="ydpab56a06cyiv0949294952x_ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">CAMBER with 17”-18” tires negative 0-1/4 degree on all 4 corners, with 37PSI Front, 35PSI rear tire pressure</span></p>
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<p class="ydpab56a06cyiv0949294952x_ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">CASTER MAX stock is 2-2-1/2 degrees, Pantera’s wants more with 17”+ tires. I get 4-4-1/2 degrees with offset bushings and shaved upper
Ball joints. Modified or Aluminum A-Arms should give you up to 8 degrees, I’d try 6 degrees and make sure the steering wheel doesn’t want to cut your hands off at the wrist after making a turn. More caster will make the Pantera more stable at speed, too much
will be a handful when turning.</span></p>
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<b>Reply-To: </b>Owen Lee Green <oneeyez4263@gmail.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, September 23, 2024 at 12:41 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera@yahoo.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Team Racing <tpr@teampanteraracing.com>, Jim Wallace <j.wallace@boston-group.com>, Patrick Mical <pmical@patsauto.com><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [TPR] Pantera Alignment</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">Slightly softer spring rate in the front might help. Was the front feeling like it was bucking at speed? Eg bouncing hard but aero downforce keeping the nose down.
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<p class="ydpab56a06cyiv0949294952x_ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;">On Mon, Sep 23, 2024, 12:36 PM Mad Dog Antenucci via TPR <<a href="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tpr@teampanteraracing.com</a>>
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<p class="ydpab56a06cyiv0949294952x_ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#26282A;">I am coming out of my latest COVID Fog but recall Mark and I and some of you had discussions on while his Z06 this year and my C8 last
year handling was no better then how well our Pantera's alignment was set up. Except my Pantera in 2022 and again this year (2024) just did not track as well as it did in 2021 with 17" front tires.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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<p class="ydpab56a06cyiv0949294952x_ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#26282A;">When I got the Pantera back from As after he had a local alignment shop reset suspension the Pantera felt fine at speeds up to a 100 or
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<p class="ydpab56a06cyiv0949294952x_ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#26282A;">Others suggested the wheels might have been off but they were so well balanced from the factory only one wheel needed a corrected weight.
Much better then I ever saw with other vendors wheels. So let me know your thoughts but what I hope is that Jim and Pat will come up with what settings they are using or others are using on Pantera's running endurance speeds.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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