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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>I sent this to ASA earlier;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>I should say that I spent a lot of money and time with custom precision alignments, be prepared to spend $1000 per set up at a custom alignment shop.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>I also assume that you have front camber locks installed<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>I didn’t see a ride height/A-Arm flattening corner weighted anything specs, but you need to do that first.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Those A-Arms need to be flat and parallel for the steering geometry to work as designed, so you need adjustable spring heights<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>When getting down to designed ride height, it is sometimes challenging to get the Right Rear toe to come in with the engine torque and chassis age settling. I lost a ¼ degree per year when racing with Right Side ‘Sagging” so Adjustable Upper rear A-Arms became a ‘MUST’ over time.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>in my opinion:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Too much front toe, cut those #’s in half<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Too much front camber, those are the published 15” tire #’s, you want to see .125 degree for 17” or 18” low profile tires<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Front Caster looks great<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Rear toe should be less, in the .05 degree<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Rear Camber same as the front .12 degree +/-.1 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>They might want you to sign a wavier to deviate from published recommended 15” wheel alignment specs<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Larry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>TPR <tpr-bounces@teampanteraracing.com> on behalf of Mad Dog Antenucci via TPR <tpr@teampanteraracing.com><br><b>Reply-To: </b>Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera@yahoo.com><br><b>Date: </b>Tuesday, September 24, 2024 at 10:39 AM<br><b>To: </b>"tpr@teampanteraracing.com" <tpr@teampanteraracing.com>, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [TPR] Pantera Alignment<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'>Curious what or where you think we can improve there.?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'>Dennis<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="ydp37f551cfyahoo_quoted_7297491473"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>On Monday, September 23, 2024 at 07:32:25 PM PDT, Asa Jay Laughton via TPR <tpr@teampanteraracing.com> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div id=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Found them.<br>2021 Alignment result:<br><img width=824 height=804 style='width:8.5833in;height:8.375in' id="_x0000_i1027" src="cid:image001.png@01DB0E71.2FB1DB00"><br><br>2022 Alignment result:<br><img width=834 height=795 style='width:8.6875in;height:8.2812in' id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image002.png@01DB0E71.2FB1DB00"><o:p></o:p></span></p><pre><span style='color:#26282A'>Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:#26282A'>Spokane County ARES-RACES-ACS EC/RO<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:#26282A'>****************************** <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:#26282A'><a href="https://w7tsc.org" target="_blank">https://w7tsc.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:#26282A'><a href="https://www.teampanteraracing.com" target="_blank">https://www.teampanteraracing.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><div id=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054yqtfd39720><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>On 9/23/2024 16:59, David Carpenter via TPR wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div id=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054yqtfd48616><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Larry's thoughts on settings: absolutely correct.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>5-7 degrees caster at speed, will react very smooth.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Same caster @ 20-50 mph can be a handful. (I chose the speed side, & loved w the minor downside at slow speeds.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Yes: toe should be Very Close to Zero. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Like Larry said: even minor Toe Out makes the steering Hunt!! (You can never ever let go of wheel)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Tire size change:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>The alignment was very likely done with the OLD WHEELS!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>The alignment specs might been right.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Different wheels may have changed it all!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Alignment can be Checked Only:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Compare print out from when it was done before.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>If 'A' arms adjusted /checked as he suggests: alignment needs to be done AFTER any 'A' arm changes....if you go that route.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Without a print out of alignment specs: without a ride along: it's dang hard to speculate from afar!!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>I've even seen air pressure & tread designs be the culprit!!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Not that the tread is wrong: but it could be wrong for a certain road condition.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Or someone had directional tires.....with Half the arrows wrong!!!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>(I was SURE I HAD SEEN IT ALL.....TIL THEN!!!)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div id=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054ms-outlook-mobile-signature><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>"I am a part of all that I have met!"</span></i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Alfred Lord Tennyson</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><hr size=0 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div id=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054divRplyFwdMsg><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='color:black'> TPR <a href="mailto:tpr-bounces@teampanteraracing.com" target="_blank"><tpr-bounces@teampanteraracing.com></a> on behalf of Larry Stock via TPR <a href="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com" target="_blank"><tpr@teampanteraracing.com></a><br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 23, 2024 3:42:05 PM<br><b>To:</b> Mad Dog Antenucci <a href="mailto:teampantera@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><teampantera@yahoo.com></a>; Owen Lee Green <a href="mailto:oneeyez4263@gmail.com" target="_blank"><oneeyez4263@gmail.com></a><br><b>Cc:</b> Team Racing <a href="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com" target="_blank"><tpr@teampanteraracing.com></a>; Jim Wallace <a href="mailto:j.wallace@boston-group.com" target="_blank"><j.wallace@boston-group.com></a>; Patrick Mical <a href="mailto:pmical@patsauto.com" target="_blank"><pmical@patsauto.com></a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TPR] Pantera Alignment</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Just give me where you are at and I can advise where to go with it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Larry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xmsonormal><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>Mad Dog Antenucci <a href="mailto:teampantera@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><teampantera@yahoo.com></a><br><b>Date: </b>Monday, September 23, 2024 at 2:01 PM<br><b>To: </b>Owen Lee Green <a href="mailto:oneeyez4263@gmail.com" target="_blank"><oneeyez4263@gmail.com></a>, Larry Stock <a href="mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com" target="_blank"><larrys@panteraparts.com></a><br><b>Cc: </b>Team Racing <a href="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com" target="_blank"><tpr@teampanteraracing.com></a>, Jim Wallace <a href="mailto:j.wallace@boston-group.com" target="_blank"><j.wallace@boston-group.com></a>, Patrick Mical <a href="mailto:pmical@patsauto.com" target="_blank"><pmical@patsauto.com></a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [TPR] Pantera Alignment</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xmsonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Excellent feedback....thank you Larry....think we are hitting on the real issue which is alignment settings. What I noticed with the added 6 or 7 degrees of caster was the Pantera LOVED the sweeper turns at speed like it did the long straight-aways but it did NOT like the long straight aways....so clearly this is alignment settings.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xmsonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054x_ydp2c4327f8yahoo_quoted_7447251694"><div><div><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>On Monday, September 23, 2024 at 01:42:41 PM PDT, Larry Stock <a href="mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com" target="_blank"><larrys@panteraparts.com></a> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xmsonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div id="ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054x_ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719"><div><div><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>I generally set up with spring rates in the 400 pound range +/-50 lbs., with rear springs 25 pounds (+/-25 pounds) more than the front springs.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>A-Arms need to be adjusted flat and parallel with the road surface front and rear<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>TOE-IN @ 1/16” on each corner making .125” total front and rear. NOTE any rear toe out is loose and squirrely, Front toe out wants to initiate turns quickly and dart<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>CAMBER with 15” tires negative ½ degree +/-1/4 degree on all 4 corners<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>CAMBER with 17”-18” tires negative 0-1/4 degree on all 4 corners, with 37PSI Front, 35PSI rear tire pressure<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>CASTER MAX stock is 2-2-1/2 degrees, Pantera’s wants more with 17”+ tires. I get 4-4-1/2 degrees with offset bushings and shaved upper Ball joints. Modified or Aluminum A-Arms should give you up to 8 degrees, I’d try 6 degrees and make sure the steering wheel doesn’t want to cut your hands off at the wrist after making a turn. More caster will make the Pantera more stable at speed, too much will be a handful when turning.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>Larry Stock</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><br></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>Pantera Parts Connection LC</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><br></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>550 Mallory Way</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><br></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>Carson City NV 89701</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><br></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="http://www.PanteraParts.com" target="_blank">www.PanteraParts.com</a></span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><br></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>PH 775-283-4411</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><br></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Fax 775-283-4410</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><br></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Cell 1-800-DeTomaso 800-338-6627</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054x_ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719yqt72163"><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>TPR <a href="mailto:tpr-bounces@teampanteraracing.com" target="_blank"><tpr-bounces@teampanteraracing.com></a> on behalf of Owen Lee Green via TPR <a href="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com" target="_blank"><tpr@teampanteraracing.com></a><br><b>Reply-To: </b>Owen Lee Green <a href="mailto:oneeyez4263@gmail.com" target="_blank"><oneeyez4263@gmail.com></a><br><b>Date: </b>Monday, September 23, 2024 at 12:41 PM<br><b>To: </b>Mad Dog Antenucci <a href="mailto:teampantera@yahoo.com" target="_blank"><teampantera@yahoo.com></a><br><b>Cc: </b>Team Racing <a href="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com" target="_blank"><tpr@teampanteraracing.com></a>, Jim Wallace <a href="mailto:j.wallace@boston-group.com" target="_blank"><j.wallace@boston-group.com></a>, Patrick Mical <a href="mailto:pmical@patsauto.com" target="_blank"><pmical@patsauto.com></a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [TPR] Pantera Alignment</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Slightly softer spring rate in the front might help. Was the front feeling like it was bucking at speed? Eg bouncing hard but aero downforce keeping the nose down. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>On Mon, Sep 23, 2024, 12:36 PM Mad Dog Antenucci via TPR <<a href="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com" target="_blank">tpr@teampanteraracing.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>I am coming out of my latest COVID Fog but recall Mark and I and some of you had discussions on while his Z06 this year and my C8 last year handling was no better then how well our Pantera's alignment was set up. Except my Pantera in 2022 and again this year (2024) just did not track as well as it did in 2021 with 17" front tires.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Bare with me as I know some of you will have different views here but what changed on my Pantera. One was going to 18" front wheels and the other big change was adding the extended A arms that Asa put on from Johnny woods. </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Asa suggested the road surface may have been the problem but Mark and I have seen just bad road conditions in previous years at 140-160+ speeds. So I am leaning now on suspension settings first....and it was suggested adding toe in or out may be the problem.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>When I got the Pantera back from As after he had a local alignment shop reset suspension the Pantera felt fine at speeds up to a 100 or so but unfortunately the only thing that matters is real road conditions at 150+. I only average 134 this year and not sure I would have wanted to handle much more then 140 comfortably.....that sweet spot for me....a 140-150 Average....but again something is off.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Others suggested the wheels might have been off but they were so well balanced from the factory only one wheel needed a corrected weight. Much better then I ever saw with other vendors wheels. So let me know your thoughts but what I hope is that Jim and Pat will come up with what settings they are using or others are using on Pantera's running endurance speeds.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Dawg, with flame suit on </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>_______________________________________________<br>TPR mailing list<br><a href="mailto:TPR@teampanteraracing.com" target="_blank">TPR@teampanteraracing.com</a><br><a href="http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com" target="_blank">http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div></div><p class=ydp37f551cfyiv1910599054xydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>_______________________________________________ TPR mailing list <a href="mailto:TPR@teampanteraracing.com" target="_blank">TPR@teampanteraracing.com</a> <a href="http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com" target="_blank">http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><pre><span style='color:#26282A'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:#26282A'>TPR mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:#26282A'><a href="mailto:TPR@teampanteraracing.com" target="_blank">TPR@teampanteraracing.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='color:#26282A'><a href="http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com" target="_blank">http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div id=ydp37f551cfyqtfd06995><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>_______________________________________________<br>TPR mailing list<br><a href="mailto:TPR@teampanteraracing.com" target="_blank">TPR@teampanteraracing.com</a><br><a href="http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com" target="_blank">http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________ TPR mailing list TPR@teampanteraracing.com http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com <o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>