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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Just give me where you are at and I can advise where to go with it.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Larry<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera@yahoo.com><br><b>Date: </b>Monday, September 23, 2024 at 2:01 PM<br><b>To: </b>Owen Lee Green <oneeyez4263@gmail.com>, Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com><br><b>Cc: </b>Team Racing <tpr@teampanteraracing.com>, Jim Wallace <j.wallace@boston-group.com>, Patrick Mical <pmical@patsauto.com><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [TPR] Pantera Alignment<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'>Excellent feedback....thank you Larry....think we are hitting on the real issue which is alignment settings. What I noticed with the added 6 or 7 degrees of caster was the Pantera LOVED the sweeper turns at speed like it did the long straight-aways but it did NOT like the long straight aways....so clearly this is alignment settings.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div id="ydp2c4327f8yahoo_quoted_7447251694"><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>On Monday, September 23, 2024 at 01:42:41 PM PDT, Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div id=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719><div><div><p class=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>I generally set up with spring rates in the 400 pound range +/-50 lbs., with rear springs 25 pounds (+/-25 pounds) more than the front springs.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>A-Arms need to be adjusted flat and parallel with the road surface front and rear<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>TOE-IN @ 1/16” on each corner making .125” total front and rear. NOTE any rear toe out is loose and squirrely, Front toe out wants to initiate turns quickly and dart<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>CAMBER with 15” tires negative ½ degree +/-1/4 degree on all 4 corners<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>CAMBER with 17”-18” tires negative 0-1/4 degree on all 4 corners, with 37PSI Front, 35PSI rear tire pressure<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>CASTER MAX stock is 2-2-1/2 degrees, Pantera’s wants more with 17”+ tires. I get 4-4-1/2 degrees with offset bushings and shaved upper Ball joints. Modified or Aluminum A-Arms should give you up to 8 degrees, I’d try 6 degrees and make sure the steering wheel doesn’t want to cut your hands off at the wrist after making a turn. More caster will make the Pantera more stable at speed, too much will be a handful when turning.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>Larry Stock</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><br></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>Pantera Parts Connection LC</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><br></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>550 Mallory Way</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'><br></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>Carson City NV 89701</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><br></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>www.PanteraParts.com</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><br></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>PH 775-283-4411</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><br></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Fax 775-283-4410</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'><br></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Cell 1-800-DeTomaso 800-338-6627</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719yqt72163><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:black'>TPR <tpr-bounces@teampanteraracing.com> on behalf of Owen Lee Green via TPR <tpr@teampanteraracing.com><br><b>Reply-To: </b>Owen Lee Green <oneeyez4263@gmail.com><br><b>Date: </b>Monday, September 23, 2024 at 12:41 PM<br><b>To: </b>Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera@yahoo.com><br><b>Cc: </b>Team Racing <tpr@teampanteraracing.com>, Jim Wallace <j.wallace@boston-group.com>, Patrick Mical <pmical@patsauto.com><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [TPR] Pantera Alignment</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Slightly softer spring rate in the front might help. Was the front feeling like it was bucking at speed? Eg bouncing hard but aero downforce keeping the nose down. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>On Mon, Sep 23, 2024, 12:36 PM Mad Dog Antenucci via TPR <<a href="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com" target="_blank">tpr@teampanteraracing.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>I am coming out of my latest COVID Fog but recall Mark and I and some of you had discussions on while his Z06 this year and my C8 last year handling was no better then how well our Pantera's alignment was set up. Except my Pantera in 2022 and again this year (2024) just did not track as well as it did in 2021 with 17" front tires.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Bare with me as I know some of you will have different views here but what changed on my Pantera. One was going to 18" front wheels and the other big change was adding the extended A arms that Asa put on from Johnny woods. </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Asa suggested the road surface may have been the problem but Mark and I have seen just bad road conditions in previous years at 140-160+ speeds. So I am leaning now on suspension settings first....and it was suggested adding toe in or out may be the problem.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>When I got the Pantera back from As after he had a local alignment shop reset suspension the Pantera felt fine at speeds up to a 100 or so but unfortunately the only thing that matters is real road conditions at 150+. I only average 134 this year and not sure I would have wanted to handle much more then 140 comfortably.....that sweet spot for me....a 140-150 Average....but again something is off.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Others suggested the wheels might have been off but they were so well balanced from the factory only one wheel needed a corrected weight. Much better then I ever saw with other vendors wheels. So let me know your thoughts but what I hope is that Jim and Pat will come up with what settings they are using or others are using on Pantera's running endurance speeds.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>Dawg, with flame suit on </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>_______________________________________________<br>TPR mailing list<br><a href="mailto:TPR@teampanteraracing.com" target="_blank">TPR@teampanteraracing.com</a><br><a href="http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com" target="_blank">http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div></div><p class=ydp2c4327f8yiv3879782719msonormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue";color:#26282A'>_______________________________________________ TPR mailing list TPR@teampanteraracing.com http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>