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<div dir="auto">The info I have was from the old days. Somebody got ahold of some data or studies from GM about that roll over protection. (I had heard)</div>
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<div dir="auto">What-ever it was, it was held in High regard by the race group. It, & safe outcomes from several ORR crashes, cemented the understanding that the C5 - C7's coupes were UBER safe.</div>
<div dir="auto">(Solid roofs & Removeable roof were the same)</div>
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<div dir="auto">The roll over protection of the windshield structure, plus the roof bow above & behind your head: I NEVER heard of it being crushed down more than an INCH!!!</div>
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The C8 is a whole new model. The weight of the car is about equal. So I'd have NO PROBLEM thinking the rigidity & strength are equal.</div>
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Air bags are equal or even better.</div>
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GM safety tests are probably what somebody got ahold of!!!</div>
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But I never heard what it was, I just went with the flow!!</div>
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I also haven't heard of auto body info from C8 repairs. Work they'd done due to crashes!! Or work they DIDN'T have to do because of roof / chassis strength.</div>
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<span style="font-size: 17pt;"><b>I'm not sure if ORR groups might just go with Old rules, until they are proven different</b></span>!!!</div>
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We always heard the European cars were limited to 140 class because they'd 'Crush Like a Pop Can'!!!!</div>
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But I never heard what drove that rule. It would seem normal street or repair shop data would drive that.</div>
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Over & over I heard about seemingly mild crashes, where a European Coupe car....now had a wrinkle in the roof!! NOT A GOOD SIGN!!!</div>
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<div>You think adding a roll bar is a good idea?
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<div>I do too….it’s a GREAT idea….Mark already is planning to add one to his future C8.</div>
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<div>I already have the answer for the C8 that already applies to C7’s and Vipers and others and that is what I am going with. </div>
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<div>GM provided position to NASA (North American Racing Association) and if it’s good enough for NASA it’s good enough for me but that’s just my personal opinion. 🙂</div>
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<div>And let me confirm again Mr President there is no as in zero roll over protection on the “Pantera”…we do agree on that….. As I said already the rules dictate that for a PANTERA you need a roll bar if you want to run in the Grand Touring Division. </div>
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<div>Think it is an excellent rule. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Just a quick Internet search showed up a forum posting that indicated only the C8R has factory rollover protection for most track style events, not much on details though. Then I found a few high end vendors making roll bars and cages. My
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<div>You know more Corvette racers then I do but it appears I am the FIRST to ask this “integrated roll protection on C8’s or Z06’s.</div>
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<div>I have asked the SSCC message board and no replies yet…/also posted two requests to Corvette Forum and no response from any open road racers and Frank/SSCC says he doesn’t know of any C8 or Z06 roll over protection. </div>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">No reason to….for several years they have been running C7’s etc in Grand Touring with NO roll bar.</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">You should check last years results and maybe year before. See what speeds the C8’s were running and try to make direct contact.</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">And I added just saying the C8 does have an integrated bar (s) for Driver and passenger is NOT enough.</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">It would appear I am the first person with a C8 to ask Frank at SS this question and no reply from my message board question either.</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">But if there is no spec evidence from a sanctioning GM authority I will be happy not to run faster then a 140 </p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">I got nuthin’ unless it’s in the owners manual. It would only make sense if they are promoting it for track use that it has a factory rollover system, but….</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Looks like another year with SA2015 helmet…..note his comment on belts and expiration of belts…</p>
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seat belts will expire on dec 31 of the expiration year written on the belts tag. <br>
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