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<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Hi
all,</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt"> </p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">I'm
starting this
thread to begin documenting my next 351C engine build and in
the process,
asking for guidance, recommendations, and experience.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>My name is Asa Jay
Laughton (pronounced
Ace-uh, Jay, Lawton),<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>I
live in the
Spokane, Washington area (that's the East side of Washington
next to Idaho, not
the "other" Washington.)<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>:)</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt"> </p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">I
have an A.A.S in
Automotive Technology (mostly unused as I went into a
different
profession).<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>I
rebuilt a 351C as my
class project in Engines during colledge.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes">
</span>That engine went into a 1973 Mustang fastback and a
couple years later
was transplanted into a 1971 Mach I.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>It
ran for many years, from about 1985 until 1999 and was an
everyday driver
through about 1993.</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt"> </p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">In
about 2001, I
rebuilt a new engine for the Mach I with a lot more bragging
rights.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>It featured
a roller cam with the Crane
roller conversion kit, a Crane stud-mount rocker conversion
kit, full roller
rockers, 4V quench heads, Pete Jackson quiet timing gear
set, MPG windage tray
and a few other goodies.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>You
can see
details about that build here:</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt"><a
href="http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm">http://www.asajay.com/351rebuild/351rebuild.htm</a></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt"> </p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Later,
in about
2012, I pulled that engine from the Mach I, refreshed it and
re-installed it in
my 1973 DeTomaso Pantera for racing in the Silver State
Classic Challenge
(SSCC).<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>You can see
more about that
here:</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt"><a
href="http://teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=5096">http://teampanteraracing.com/index.php?option=com_g2bridge&view=gallery&Itemid=57&g2_itemId=5096</a></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt"> </p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">I
sold the Pantera
in 2015 to another avid race driver who has since taken it
to the next level.</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt"> </p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">This
left me with
the 1971 Mach I Mustang… without an engine.</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt"> </p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">I've
collected a few
complete engines over the past several years and I'm now
involved in trying to
get the Mach I back on the road to do more Silver State
Classic Challenge open
road races.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>You can
see more about that
project here:</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt"><a
href="https://www.facebook.com/asajaysracingforautism">https://www.facebook.com/asajaysracingforautism</a></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt"> </p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">I'm
a founding
member of the DeTomaso email forum and know many in the
Pantera world,
including Mark Skwarek, Hugh Casey (rest in peace), Mike and
Lori Drew, Gerry
Romack, Dennis (Mad Dog) Antenucci and many, many others,
some who have had
their engine specs published on this and/or other forums.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>I see Mark and Dennis
at SSCC regularly and
Gerry came out last year with his new engine from Dave
McLain.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>I had the
privilege of sitting at the same
table as Dan Jones at a POCA Fun Rally many years ago and
have followed his
351C dyno project off-and-on since about the beginning.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>I'm of the belief that
Dan has more knowledge
in his little finger than I have in my whole body.</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt"> </p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt"> </p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">With
all that in
mind…</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">I
need to build a
new 351C engine and I'm soliciting pointers.</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt"> </p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Overall
Goals:</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">140
MPH minimum
top-end during open road racing in a 1971 Mach I Mustang</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Smooth
-enough- idle
to drive on the street to shows, out to dinner, etc. (a bit
of rumpity-rump is
okay, stalling isn't)</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Fits
under the stock
RamAir hood of a 1971 Mach I</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Can
take advantage
of the RamAir Intake system (minor mods to RamAir okay but
no holes in the
hood)</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt"> </p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Details
about other
(non-engine) components:</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Will
be mated to a
C6 auto transmission (yes, I understand a four-speed or
other Auto-trans may be
better, but I'm using a C6 to start with)</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Specs
on the parts
used in the C6:</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Ford
Motorsport
M-7398-C Wide Ratio Gear set,</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Ford
Motorsport
M-7044-A Heavy Duty Clutch</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Ford
Motorsport
M-7027-A famous "R" intermediate servo assembly,</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Ford
Motorsport
M-1794-C6 tranny pan with integrated drain</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Transgo
Shift Kit</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Built
to Police
Interceptor specs</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Locally
custom-rebuilt torque converter with approximate 1,800 stall
speed</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Stock
Ford 9"
rear end with 3:00 gearset<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>(I
have a
2:99 available somewhere)</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt"> </p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt"> </p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Engine
goals:</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">I'm
not
"set" on this list of desired items for my build, it's just
a
starting point and I'm flexible</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Minimum
bore as
possible (current block appears to be less than 0.005 wear
but will need
professional assessment)</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">I'd
like to build a
Stroker this time around</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Solid
roller cam (I
may be willing to go hydraulic roller again)</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Cam
specs TBD</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Full
roller rockers</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Aluminum
heads
(leaning toward TrickFlow 195 or 225)</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">I
have a set of
stock cast iron 4V quench heads (bare) that I could use</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Armando
T-pan for
open road racing</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">MPG
windage tray</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Stock
volume/pressure oil pump</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Canton
2-quart oil
accumulator</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">ACL
main and rod
bearings</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Gear-drive
timing
set</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Hooker
Super-Competition 4V headers (this may need to change)</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt"> </p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">I'm
looking at the
specs used between the builds done for Mark Skwarek and Hugh
Casey in these to
forum postings:</p>
<p><cite
style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:9.0pt;color:#595959">From
<<a
href="http://www.the351cforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=577">http://www.the351cforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=577</a>>
</cite></p>
<p><cite
style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:9.0pt;color:#595959">From
<<a
href="http://www.the351cforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=569">http://www.the351cforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=569</a>>
</cite></p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt"> </p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt"> </p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Those
were
impressive builds and I want to do something very similar.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>I've seen Mark's engine
in action.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>There is
enough documented there to get me
started.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>What I
-don't- readily know is
where to get some of the parts or specs necessary.</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Where
do I go for a
good stroker kit and what's in it, or do I source the parts
separately?</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Where
do I get the
best pistons?</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">What's
the best cam
profile to use for my use case?</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">What's
the best
intake that will fit under the hood?</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt"> </p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">I
also have to
select a local machine shop to do all the block work.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>The last time I did
this I had a friend who
worked at a place but he's moved on so I have to find a new
vendor.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>I'll of
course need to find one familiar with
the 351C so they don't screw it up.</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt"> </p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">I
really want to
build this on my own (well, sans the machining part).<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>But, if it comes down
to it, I'm not against
sending it to Dave McLain because he comes so highly spoken
of by many people.</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt"> </p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">There
we have
it.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>I need to build
this by September
2019 for that year's Silver State Classic Challenge.<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Any and all ideas,
pointers, recommendations
and cautions are welcome.</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt"> </p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Thank
you,</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">Asa<span
style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Jay</p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt"> </p>
<p style="margin:0in;font-family:Calibri;font-size:11.0pt">--
this information
may be found posted to more than one forum and/or email list
--</p>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
Spokane County ARES-RACES Net Manager
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