<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437945477619_5099"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437945477619_5098">okay so share your or Marks view on comparing the stock POS rack with this new Ferrari rack</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437945477619_5101"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437945477619_5100">And no jokes about Lauri Ferrari either.</span></div><br> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Asa Jay Laughton via TPR <tpr@teampanteraracing.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> tpr@teampanteraracing.com <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, July 26, 2015 9:14 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [TPR] Ferrari Steering Rack Comparison<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br>Ah contrair mon frair,<br clear="none">What we are doing is taking a Ferrari rack and -modifying- it, so it is <br clear="none">-better- than a Ferrari rack, thereby making it (nearly) a stock <br clear="none">DeTomaso Pantera rack.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Don't make me make Bullet hurt you.<br clear="none">Asa Jay<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired<br clear="none">& Shelley Marie<br clear="none">Spokane, WA<br clear="none">******************************<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.racingagainstautism.com/" target="_blank">http://www.racingagainstautism.com</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://www.teampanteraracing.com/" target="_blank">http://www.teampanteraracing.com</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism" target="_blank">http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism</a><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">On 7/25/2015 11:32 PM, TeamPantera via TPR wrote:<br clear="none">> A Ferrari rack?<br clear="none">> Are you kidding....your not stock anymore...and Mark got one too?<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Not even stock now huh..what CHEATERS ;-)<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Asa Jay Laughton via TPR<<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com" href="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com">tpr@teampanteraracing.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">>> My apologies, some of you will get this twice (once as POCA and once as TPR)<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Hi all,<br clear="none">>> Since I've not seen another real comparison yet, I figured I'd pop in<br clear="none">>> here. Attached are all the photos that accompany this comparison.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> I recently needed a steering rack to do a comparison with the one<br clear="none">>> installed in my Pantera. This was because a friend drove the car and<br clear="none">>> said he felt the rack was dangerous and should be fixed or replaced.<br clear="none">>> The easiest thing to do was to make a comparison.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Peter (The German) Menyhart of The Whitehorse Ranch, fellow Pantera<br clear="none">>> owner and racer, just happened to have one of the ebay Ferrari steering<br clear="none">>> racks everyone has been talking about. He graciously shipped it to me<br clear="none">>> so I could do my comparison. Peter is in the midst of a restoration<br clear="none">>> project and is able to part with it for a while.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> The rack is very well packaged in an oversize box. It does not come<br clear="none">>> with tie-rod ends installed. The boots are a big larger than stock<br clear="none">>> DeTomaso, and they are clamped on with those funny one-time use on the<br clear="none">>> large end and a friction/spring on the small end.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> The movement of the rack feels rather stiff, not as hard as the one out<br clear="none">>> of my car but still not quite "like butter." However, you'll note from<br clear="none">>> the photos the tension can be adjusted without the use of shims. I will<br clear="none">>> work with that later. So far, one plus for this rack.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> I took measurements of the tube diameter in the mounting bracket areas.<br clear="none">>> The two tubes are within .005" at each location. The overall length is<br clear="none">>> the same as my Pantera rack. The big difference, as has been mentioned,<br clear="none">>> is in the drivers side bracket area which contains raised ribs for<br clear="none">>> either side of the bracket.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Now, here is where I discovered something interesting. I was having a<br clear="none">>> very difficult time getting a good reading with my inside calipers of<br clear="none">>> that area. The bracket was easy to measure at 0.624" outside dimension<br clear="none">>> but the space on both racks measured at about 0.555" in width and that<br clear="none">>> didn't make sense.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Well, I had to put my grandpa glassed on, but found the reason. Nearly<br clear="none">>> the entire ridge on the Pantera rack has a shoulder on it, that goes<br clear="none">> >from about 0.055" at the bottom against the tube, to just under 0.624"<br clear="none">>> at the outermost edge. Looking at the photos of the bracket you'll note<br clear="none">>> it too has a bevel cut into the semi-circle. In my case the brackets<br clear="none">>> still don't fit quite flush to the Pantera rack.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> The brackets -don't- fit the Ferrari rack at all. You'll note from the<br clear="none">>> close-up of that rack, there really isn't any bevel to it at all; it's<br clear="none">>> nearly 0.555" from tube to outer edge. In order to get this to the<br clear="none">>> 0.624" it needs to be to accept the brackets, I'll need to machine about<br clear="none">>> .070" split more or less equally on both sides of the channel.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> The last thing to note is that the tie-rods are a bit beefier. However,<br clear="none">>> they -are- cut with the same diameter and thread as the Pantera rack.<br clear="none">>> In the photo of the tie-rod ends, you see the Pantera rack with the lock<br clear="none">>> nut on the tie-rod end, and a used/spare/old Pantera tie rod threaded<br clear="none">>> onto the Ferrari rack.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> So there you have it. The rack is nearly identical with the exception<br clear="none">>> of beefier tie-rods (good thing), adjustable tension adjust (good<br clear="none">>> thing), and narrow mounting bracket channel (bad thing but workable).<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> Mark Skwarek recently did one of these for his Pantera as well and used<br clear="none">>> an end mill with the rack mounted in a vise, cutting a path, turning the<br clear="none">>> rack and cutting again until he got all the way around. That's probably<br clear="none">>> what I'll do as well.<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> The best thing would be to completely disassemble the rack and chuck it<br clear="none">>> up on a lathe, but I really don't want to take it apart; after all, it's<br clear="none">>> not really my rack. :)<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> There, any questions?<br clear="none">>> Asa Jay<br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> -- <br clear="none">>> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired<br clear="none">>> & Shelley Marie<br clear="none">>> Spokane, WA<br clear="none">>> ******************************<br clear="none">>> <a shape="rect" href="http://www.racingagainstautism.com/" target="_blank">http://www.racingagainstautism.com</a><br clear="none">>> <a shape="rect" href="http://www.teampanteraracing.com/" target="_blank">http://www.teampanteraracing.com</a><br clear="none">>> <a shape="rect" href="http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism" target="_blank">http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism</a><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>><br clear="none">>> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">>> TPR mailing list<br clear="none">>> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:TPR@teampanteraracing.com" href="mailto:TPR@teampanteraracing.com">TPR@teampanteraracing.com</a><br clear="none">>> <a shape="rect" href="http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com" target="_blank">http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com</a><br clear="none">> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">> TPR mailing list<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:TPR@teampanteraracing.com" href="mailto:TPR@teampanteraracing.com">TPR@teampanteraracing.com</a><br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com" target="_blank">http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com</a><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> -----<br clear="none">> No virus found in this message.<br clear="none">> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<br clear="none">> Version: 2015.0.6081 / Virus Database: 4392/10308 - Release Date: 07/26/15<div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yqt0353314256" id="yqtfd13144"><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none"><br clear="none">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">TPR mailing list<br clear="none"><a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:TPR@teampanteraracing.com" href="mailto:TPR@teampanteraracing.com">TPR@teampanteraracing.com</a><br clear="none"><a shape="rect" href="http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com" target="_blank">http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com</a><br clear="none"></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></body></html>