<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Seems clear to me.<div class="">See responses by others.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If a driver in the Red group has a passenger seat and belts and asks and gets permission, they can take a passenger.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 11, 2015, at 23:28, Mike Drew <a href="mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com" class="">MikeLDrew@aol.com</a> [SCPOCA] <<a href="mailto:SCPOCA@yahoogroups.com" class="">SCPOCA@yahoogroups.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div id="ygrp-mlmsg" style="font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); position: relative;" class=""><div id="ygrp-msg" style="line-height: 1.22em; z-index: 1;" class=""><div id="ygrp-text" style="line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Georgia;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.22em; margin: 0px 0px 1em;" class=""><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Kirby,</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">So, what exactly does this mean? Passengers are not allowed, but passengers are allowed? WTF?</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Can you clarify this seeming contradiction in policies?</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">What is a 'Red level 4 approved' driver?</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Mike<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Sent from my iPhone</div><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">On May 11, 2015, at 20:33, Kirby Schrader <<a href="mailto:kirby.schrader@gmail.com" style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">kirby.schrader@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><br style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 4px; line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class="">Directly from the Drivers Edge website.<div class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"></div><div class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><span class="" style="line-height: 1.22em; color: rgb(204, 0, 0); font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;">Can I take passengers for a ride on the track?</span><span class="" style="line-height: 1.22em; font-weight: bold; font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: windowtext;"> <br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"></span><span class="bodygrey1" style="line-height: 1.22em; font-family: Arial; color: rgb(204, 204, 204); font-size: 11px; font-weight: bold;"><span class="" style="line-height: 1.22em; font-size: 10pt; color: windowtext; font-weight: normal;">NOT at speed, however all drivers can take riders during lunch time low speed parade laps. A added BONUS that only offer by The Drivers Edge is solo approved “Red Level 4 Approved” advanced run group drivers may take riders during their at speed track sessions as long as all of our requirements and safety standards are meet by car, driver and passenger.</span></span></div><div class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><font face="Arial" size="2" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"></font></div><div class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><font face="Arial" size="2" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">Trouble is, I don’t have a passenger seat….. Sorry.</font></div><div class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><font face="Arial" size="2" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">:-)</font></div><div class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><font face="Arial" size="2" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"></font></div><div class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><font face="Arial" size="2" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"></font><div style="line-height: 1.22em;" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 4px; line-height: 1.22em;"><div class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">On May 11, 2015, at 22:25, Mike Drew <<a href="mailto:mikeldrew@aol.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">mikeldrew@aol.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><div class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">Kirby,<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">What's the scoop for passenger rides? Should we bring out helmets to Texas? What are the helmet rules for passengers?<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">Mike<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">Sent from my iPhone<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">On May 11, 2015, at 18:26, Kirby Schrader <<a href="mailto:kirby.schrader@gmail.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">kirby.schrader@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><blockquote type="cite" class="" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px 4px; line-height: 1.22em;"> All,<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> Still hoping to get Dale Eriksen in (he's bringing his helmet, just in<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> case), but here's `the list' of die hard track guys.<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> The weather prediction keeps changing for the good, but it's Texas...<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> ya' never know!<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> I've been asked and yes, they run in the rain at the Drivers Edge.<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> I've been told by someone that's a good way to learn how to drive<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> fast....<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> We'll see. Last time I completed a CVAR race in the rain with slicks. I<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> didn't spin.<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> Strangely enough.<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> I guess I wasn't going fast enough.<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> Looking forward to seeing you all there at TWS.<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> Remember, the pics on the front straight are schedule for Saturday<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> after the track goes cold.<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> YOU need to be on the grid at 5:30PM to go out and line up.<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> Unless you don't want a picture of your car with the others on the<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> front straight of TWS....<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> Tom Upton has arranged for parking his RV and trailer next to the fence<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> and the Drivers Edge management has kindly allowed us to line all the<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> Panteras up against the northeast fence line. So `Pantera Central' is a<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> done deal. Show up and find Tom.<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> You can't miss a red Group 4 Pantera with 77 on the side.<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> Tom will be there with his rig and car on Friday.<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> See you Friday or Saturday or.... whenever!<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> Kirby<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> Gntu Yes David Adin Space City Panteras [1]<a href="mailto:adin@frontier.net" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">adin@frontier.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>67<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> 970 749-9262 1973 Pantera Yellow 611<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> Ys No Dave Bell Space City Panteras [2]<a href="mailto:davidabell@att.net" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">davidabell@att.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>64<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> 832-518-9994 1972 Pantera Blue 811<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> Yntu Yes Robert Benson Space City Panteras [3]<a href="mailto:rcbsons1@aol.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">rcbsons1@aol.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>61<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> 408 209-7677 1972 Pantera Black 3<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> Gntu Yes William Bitner Space City Panteras [4]<a href="mailto:wjbitner@yahoo.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">wjbitner@yahoo.com</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> 53 512-751-1444 1973 Pantera Red 128<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> Gntu Yes John Conder Space City Panteras [5]<a href="mailto:jdconder@hotmail.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">jdconder@hotmail.com</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> 56 214-695-0248 1974 Pantera Black 740<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> Gntu? Yes Glasses Jeff Detrich Pantera Club [6]<a href="mailto:jjd1010@aol.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">jjd1010@aol.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>67<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> 972-612-5000 1974 Pantera White 614<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> B No A - Corrective Lenses Alex Engles Space City Panteras<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> [7]<a href="mailto:alex.engles1@gmail.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">alex.engles1@gmail.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>49 4052456633 1972 Pantera Red 4<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> Bntu Yes glasses Chuck Engles Space City Panteras<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> [8]<a href="mailto:cfengles@hotmail.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">cfengles@hotmail.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>62 40-627-4700 1974 Pantera Yellow 471<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> Bntu Dave Hall Space City Panteras [9]<a href="mailto:dave@1ccp.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">dave@1ccp.com</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> Yntu Yes Richard Hoppe space city panteras [10]<a href="mailto:hoppe1@cox.net" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">hoppe1@cox.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>64<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> 602-481-9055 1972 pantera Black 4<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> Bntu Yes Bob Knox Space City Panteras [11]<a href="mailto:bob@knoxtextiles.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">bob@knoxtextiles.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>61<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> 419-633-2222 1974 Pantera Yellow 174<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> Gntu Yes Tony La Sorsa Space City Panteras [12]<a href="mailto:tony@lasorsa.net" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">tony@lasorsa.net</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> 51 5809175489 1972 Pantera Red 72<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> Bnt No Ron McCall Space City Panteras [13]<a href="mailto:rfmccall@comcast.net" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">rfmccall@comcast.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>44<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> 410-596-3170 1971 Pantera Blue 114<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> Gntu Yes Bill Moore Space City Panteras [14]<a href="mailto:bill@incendium.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">bill@incendium.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>65<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> 403-860-4300 1973 Pantera Orange 441<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> Gntu Yes Ed Nagel Space City Panteras [15]<a href="mailto:men@exmaroffshore.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">men@exmaroffshore.com</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> 66 2816609934 1972 Pantera Red 338<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> Bsck No Glasses or contacts Rob Pink SpaceCityPanteras<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> [16]<a href="mailto:rspink2012@yahoo.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">rspink2012@yahoo.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>53 2813304220 1972 Pantera Red 193<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> Gntu Adam Quella Space City Panteras [17]<a href="mailto:adam.quella@gmail.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">adam.quella@gmail.com</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> 1985 Pantera Black 77<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> Yntu Yes eyeglasses Dennis Quella Space City Panteras<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> [18]<a href="mailto:becky@panteraperformance.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">becky@panteraperformance.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>69 3039108158 1985 Pantera Black 77<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> Ysck Yes Nick Sakulenzki Space City Panteras [19]<a href="mailto:nsakulen@aol.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">nsakulen@aol.com</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> 52 956-369-3123 1971 Pantera Red 107<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> R No Glasses Kirby Schrader Space City Panteras<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> [20]<a href="mailto:kirby.schrader@gmail.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">kirby.schrader@gmail.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>64 7135910735 1971 Pantera Red 449<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> G No Michael Simmons POCA [21]<a href="mailto:pormike@mac.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">pormike@mac.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>56 361-633-9627<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> 2007 Vantage Silver 178<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> R No Thomas Upton Space City Panteras [22]<a href="mailto:tomupton77@gmail.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">tomupton77@gmail.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>69<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> 713-816-2472 1972 Pantera Red 77<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> RIC No Keith Verges Space City Panteras [23]<a href="mailto:kverges@figdav.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">kverges@figdav.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>54<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> 214 435 1508 2009 SR8 Blue 1<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> G Yes Kevin Vincent Space City Panteraa<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> [24]<a href="mailto:gkevinvincent@yahoo.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">gkevinvincent@yahoo.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>46 7134460264 1974 Pantera Yellow 90<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">References<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> 1.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:adin@frontier.net" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">mailto:adin@frontier.net</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> 2.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:davidabell@att.net" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">mailto:davidabell@att.net</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> 3.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:rcbsons1@aol.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">mailto:rcbsons1@aol.com</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> 4.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:wjbitner@yahoo.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">mailto:wjbitner@yahoo.com</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> 5.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:jdconder@hotmail.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">mailto:jdconder@hotmail.com</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> 6.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:jjd1010@aol.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">mailto:jjd1010@aol.com</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> 7.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:alex.engles1@gmail.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">mailto:alex.engles1@gmail.com</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> 8.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:cfengles@hotmail.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">mailto:cfengles@hotmail.com</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"> 9.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:dave@1ccp.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">mailto:dave@1ccp.com</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">10.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:hoppe1@cox.net" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">mailto:hoppe1@cox.net</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">11.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:bob@knoxtextiles.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">mailto:bob@knoxtextiles.com</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">12.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:tony@lasorsa.net" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">mailto:tony@lasorsa.net</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">13.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:rfmccall@comcast.net" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">mailto:rfmccall@comcast.net</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">14.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:bill@incendium.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">mailto:bill@incendium.com</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">15.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:men@exmaroffshore.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">mailto:men@exmaroffshore.com</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">16.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:rspink2012@yahoo.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">mailto:rspink2012@yahoo.com</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">17.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:adam.quella@gmail.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">mailto:adam.quella@gmail.com</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">18.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:becky@panteraperformance.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">mailto:becky@panteraperformance.com</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">19.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:nsakulen@aol.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">mailto:nsakulen@aol.com</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">20.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:kirby.schrader@gmail.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">mailto:kirby.schrader@gmail.com</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">21.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:pormike@mac.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">mailto:pormike@mac.com</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">22.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:tomupton77@gmail.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">mailto:tomupton77@gmail.com</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">23.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:kverges@figdav.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">mailto:kverges@figdav.com</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">24.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gkevinvincent@yahoo.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">mailto:gkevinvincent@yahoo.com</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">_______________________________________________<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">DeTomaso mailing list<br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><a href="mailto:DeTomaso@poca.com" class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;">DeTomaso@poca.com</a><br class="" style="line-height: 1.22em;"><a 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