<p>See I told you JB hahaha</p>
<p>Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> wrote:</p>
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If wishes were fishes, I'd never go hungry. :)<br>
<br>
I appreciate the feedback. I would really like to get an O2 bung
installed and set up an A/F meter and do some high speed runs.<br>
<br>
I don't mind the idea of a non-vacuum secondary carb, but the Pope's
feedback seems to indicate my solution may be to go for a higher
volume model of a vacuum secondary carb. Of course, EFI would be
preferred to both. JB's testimony hits a chord with me too... make
it work where I am (about 2100 ft.) and then it should be rich in
Ely, with a typical double-pumper.<br>
<br>
Or, go for the gusto and buy into a double-pumper to start with,
tune it to the nines and pull it off and use it only when I go
racing. Keep the current carb for my everyday driving needs. I'm
still investigating the Holley 4V Projection a friend is supposed to
have; I've just not got in touch with him yet.<br>
<br>
Asa Jay<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
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On 1/7/2014 11:03 AM, David in Durango wrote:
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<div>Of course, the perfect answer IS Mike T's EFI - IFF (if, and
only if) one can get him to tune it.</div>
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<div>Note to Mike T: we have a train ride here . . . . .</div>
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<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a
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href="mailto:adin@frontier.net">David in Durango</a> ; <a
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<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 07,
2014 11:55 AM</div>
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follow up from Chuck Nyutten</div>
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<div><span>GREAT input JB (Grumpy 1) and the Pope (Grumpy
2)....or you have even more money you can get Mike
Trusty's IR-EFI...yea thats not why I got it but just
sayin.</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial">On Tuesday,
January 7, 2014 10:46 AM, David in Durango <<a
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<div>Here are my impressions of the carb
situation, with all due respect:</div>
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<div>Nuytten thinks Asa is asking for a top end
racing carb and still wants his 22mpg (can't
blame him for that). Can this be done?
maybe. I would say (in a perfect sponsored
world) get a cab that will perform and deliver
top end - then, if not satisfied get a carb for
around town use.</div>
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<div>Nuytten also says "<font color="#1f497d">A
vacuum carburetor is a good choice if you only
want fuel economy but you are not going to be
happy with that carburetor when you want to go
racing. "</font></div>
<div>My experience is this: the truck has an
expensive designer carb - never worked for beans
without a lot of love; V8 Miata - summit carb w/
four corner idle and replaceable air bleeds, it
ran great at sea level and needed a lot of love
up here (6600'); Pantera has a vacuum secondary
750 - runs a little fluffy up here and great at
the ORR/track days I have attended. So, vacuum
no good? I would say this is wrong.</div>
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<div>My $.02 worth, fwiw.</div>
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<div>Have fun, stay warm.</div>
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<div>G & D LLC</div>
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<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b>
Tuesday, January 07, 2014 8:31 AM</div>
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Re: [TPR] More follow up from Chuck Nyutten</div>
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<div><span>Bud can do 130?</span></div>
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sealevel and Bud is somewhere south of
sealevel! HAHA</span></div>
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ask....what is JB running for a
carburation...he has had several runs
between 130-135 AVERAGE which meant he was
hitting 150-160 in straights....</span></div>
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<div>Hi gang,<br>
<br>
As I continue my edumacation bout
cars and stuff.... I wrote Chuck
again asking about the option of a
vacuum secondary carb instead of a
double-pumper as he originally
recommended. He was candid in his
response and I take it with the
same grain of salt I try most
things with. You can read the
trail below.<br>
<br>
I also talked with our friend Bud
Hower, who sent photos and specs
of his carb. His Holley is nearly
identical to mine, though it may
not be an "emissions" model, and
he gets 130 top end without a
problem and maybe more. That may
simply mean mine being an
emissions carb might be channeled
and jet differently... for fuel
economy and not top end.<br>
<br>
Note, I'm not spending any more
yet, I'm still investigating.<br>
Asa Jay<br>
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you are going to buy a new
carburetor, I would not
recommend a vacuum secondary
carburetor. I use double
pumper carburetors on many
vehicles that claim they use
them on performance street
vehicles. I stay with my
original recommendation of a
750-2003 carburetor $833.00.
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carburetors tend to drop
back on performance on the
top end and that is exactly
the condition you are
describing. A vacuum
carburetor is a good choice
if you only want fuel
economy but you are not
going to be happy with that
carburetor when you want to
go racing. </span></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday,
December 27, 2013 1:33
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you for the recommendation.
Based on the fact I don't race
the car all the time and in
fact drive it more as an
around-town car until open
road race season, I would
think a vacuum secondary would
be better for fuel economy.
Presently I get nearly 22 MPG
on the highway, which is nice;
when racing, it doesn't really
matter as long as enough fuel
is being metered to the
engine. However, during the
SSCC this year I felt the carb
was leaning out and perhaps
even starving the engine at
high rpm, which is why I'm
investigating a new carb.<br>
<br>
Do you work with vacuum
secondary carbs and what is
your opinion of them?<br>
Thank you,<br>
Asa Jay<br>
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<pre>Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired</pre>
<pre>& Shelley Marie</pre>
<pre>Spokane, WA</pre>
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On 12/9/2013 8:51 AM, <a
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style="font-size: 11pt;">If
you want performance, I
have a 750-2003 double
pump carburetor, four
corner idle which would
work very well for your
situation. $833.00 I
looked up the carburetor
you presently are running
and according to the
Holley info I would not
recommend putting any more
money into that core.
Your present carburetor
is an ok core for general
use but not the best core
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