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<DIV>Of course, the perfect answer IS Mike T's EFI - IFF (if, and only if) one
can get him to tune it.</DIV>
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<DIV>Note to Mike T: we have a train ride here . . . . .</DIV>
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<A title=teampantera@yahoo.com href="mailto:teampantera@yahoo.com">Mad Dog
Antenucci</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=adin@frontier.net
href="mailto:adin@frontier.net">David in Durango</A> ; <A
title=asajay@asajay.com href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com">Asa Jay Laughton</A> ;
<A title=tpr@teampanteraracing.com
href="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com">tpr@teampanteraracing.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 07, 2014 11:55
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [TPR] More follow up from
Chuck Nyutten</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>GREAT input JB (Grumpy 1) and the Pope (Grumpy 2)....or you have
even more money you can get Mike Trusty's IR-EFI...yea thats not why I got it
but just sayin.</SPAN></DIV>
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with flame suit on ;-)</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2 face=Arial>On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 10:46 AM,
David in Durango <<A
href="mailto:adin@frontier.net">adin@frontier.net</A>>
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<DIV>Are you talkin' to me? I am Dirty and Grouchy - don't forget
it.</DIV>
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<DIV>Here are my impressions of the carb situation, with all due
respect:</DIV>
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<DIV>Nuytten thinks Asa is asking for a top end racing carb and still wants
his 22mpg (can't blame him for that). Can this be done?
maybe. I would say (in a perfect sponsored world) get a cab that will
perform and deliver top end - then, if not satisfied get a carb for around
town use.</DIV>
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<DIV>Nuytten also says "<FONT color=#1f497d>A vacuum carburetor is a good
choice if you only want fuel economy but you are not going to be happy with
that carburetor when you want to go racing. "</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>My experience is this: the truck has an expensive designer carb - never
worked for beans without a lot of love; V8 Miata - summit carb w/ four corner
idle and replaceable air bleeds, it ran great at sea level and needed a lot of
love up here (6600'); Pantera has a vacuum secondary 750 - runs a little
fluffy up here and great at the ORR/track days I have attended. So,
vacuum no good? I would say this is wrong.</DIV>
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<DIV>My $.02 worth, fwiw.</DIV>
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<DIV>Have fun, stay warm.</DIV>
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<DIV>G & D LLC</DIV>
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target=_blank ymailto="mailto:teampantera@yahoo.com">Mad Dog Antenucci</A>
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href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com" rel=nofollow target=_blank
ymailto="mailto:asajay@asajay.com">Asa Jay Laughton</A> ; <A
title=tpr@teampanteraracing.com href="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com"
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, January 07, 2014 8:31
AM</DIV>
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Chuck Nyutten</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN>Bud can do 130?</SPAN></DIV>
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Silver State? ;-)</SPAN></DIV>
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I can do 185 at sealevel and Bud is somewhere south of sealevel!
HAHA</SPAN></DIV>
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the guys to ask....what is JB running for a carburation...he has had several
runs between 130-135 AVERAGE which meant he was hitting 150-160 in
straights....</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT size=2 face=Arial>On Monday, January 6, 2014 10:05 PM,
Asa Jay Laughton <<A href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com" rel=nofollow
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<DIV>Hi gang,<BR><BR>As I continue my edumacation bout cars and stuff.... I
wrote Chuck again asking about the option of a vacuum secondary carb instead
of a double-pumper as he originally recommended. He was candid in his
response and I take it with the same grain of salt I try most things
with. You can read the trail below.<BR><BR>I also talked with our
friend Bud Hower, who sent photos and specs of his carb. His Holley is
nearly identical to mine, though it may not be an "emissions" model, and he
gets 130 top end without a problem and maybe more. That may simply
mean mine being an emissions carb might be channeled and jet differently...
for fuel economy and not top end.<BR><BR>Note, I'm not spending any more
yet, I'm still investigating.<BR>Asa Jay<BR><BR>-------- Original Message
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style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">If you are going to buy a new
carburetor, I would not recommend a vacuum secondary carburetor. I use
double pumper carburetors on many vehicles that claim they use them on
performance street vehicles. I stay with my original recommendation of a
750-2003 carburetor $833.00. </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV class=yiv4936826010MsoNormal><SPAN
style="COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Vacuum carburetors tend to
drop back on performance on the top end and that is exactly the condition
you are describing. A vacuum carburetor is a good choice if you only want
fuel economy but you are not going to be happy with that carburetor when you
want to go racing. </SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=yiv4936826010MsoNormal>Thank you for the recommendation.
Based on the fact I don't race the car all the time and in fact drive it
more as an around-town car until open road race season, I would think a
vacuum secondary would be better for fuel economy. Presently I get
nearly 22 MPG on the highway, which is nice; when racing, it doesn't really
matter as long as enough fuel is being metered to the engine. However,
during the SSCC this year I felt the carb was leaning out and perhaps even
starving the engine at high rpm, which is why I'm investigating a new
carb.<BR><BR>Do you work with vacuum secondary carbs and what is your
opinion of them?<BR>Thank you,<BR>Asa Jay<BR><BR></DIV><PRE>Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired</PRE><PRE>& Shelley Marie</PRE><PRE>Spokane, WA</PRE><PRE>****************************** </PRE><PRE><A href="http://www.racingagainstautism.com/" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.racingagainstautism.com</A></PRE><PRE><A href="http://www.teampanteraracing.com/" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.teampanteraracing.com</A></PRE><PRE><A href="http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism" rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism</A></PRE>
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want performance, I have a 750-2003 double pump carburetor, four
corner idle which would work very well for your situation. $833.00 I
looked up the carburetor you presently are running and according to the
Holley info I would not recommend putting any more money into that core.
Your present carburetor is an ok core for general use but not the
best core for
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