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I don't have an MSD rev limiter, though I do have a limiter set for
about 6,300 rpm on my Pertronix Ignitor III module.<br>
<br>
I don't honestly recall what RPM I was running at 130 MPH; I was
concentrating on time, mile markers. But according to the RBT gear
ratio calculator, I should get 130 MPH out of 5,000 rpm.<br>
<br>
It might also be, being an emissions carb, that it's jetted too
lean. I need a good dyno session to really understand that part.<br>
<br>
It's good to get the ideas out there.<br>
Asa Jay<br>
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On 12/8/2013 2:23 PM, John Bentley wrote:
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<div>Asa, remove your msd rev limiter. :) seriously, 600 cfm is
plenty. Mph is not very helpful when contemplating carb size.
What was the max rpm you could do? JB<br>
<br>
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On Dec 8, 2013, at 12:50 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <<a
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I have stock size fuel lines (recently replaced rubber
though), and what is probably a stock mechanical fuel pump.<br>
<br>
I ran the K&N Triangular Air filter shown here:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
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Plugs appear pretty clean.<br>
Asa Jay<br>
<br>
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<div>Hi all,</div>
<div>I already sent Asa some info . . . </div>
<div> </div>
<div>It would seem, for whatever reason, he is not getting
enough air and/ or fuel. ???? I run HUGE fuel lines
(compared to recommendations) on most everything. Still
believe the 460 goes lean - time for a Robb super pump?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>So, Asa, bigger air filter? bigger fuel lines? Fuel
pump running to spec?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>have fun.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>shoveling snow . . .</div>
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href="mailto:cengles@cox.net">Charles Engles</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a
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<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday,
December 08, 2013 12:43 PM</div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TPR]
Carb and fuel pump</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
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font-size: 11pt;">Dear Bud,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
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font-size: 11pt;"> Boy, I hate it
when someone throw real world experience and
evidence in the middle of a theoretical discussion!
Nicely done.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;"> From your
experience, I think we can eliminate the 600 cfm
Holley as the culprit and consider the other
potential causes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>B Hower<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 08, 2013 1:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Asa Jay Laughton<br>
<b>Cc:</b> TPR List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TPR] Carb and fuel pump<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"
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14pt;">FWIW -- I have had a gps reading of 147 mph
with a 600 cmf Holley and stock style aftermarket
fuel pump. Engine was running iron 4V heads, .030
over bore. Isky hyd cam.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there
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<p style="background: none repeat scroll
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style="font-family:
'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color:
black;">How restrictive is your air
intake apparatus? If too
restrictive, that can have dramatic
effect, imagine an asthmatic running
a marathon.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background: none repeat scroll
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black;">On Dec 8, 2013 2:17 PM, "Asa
Jay Laughton" <<a
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target="_blank">asajay@asajay.com</a>>
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black;">Hi all,<br>
<br>
This year (2013) at the Silver
State Classic Challenge, I
recorded a top speed in the trap
of 130.7 MPH. When I reached
the countdown to the trap I was
already doing just shy of that
to bank time before the
Narrows. I consciously pressed
the accelerator a bit more to
push her up to a goal 135 MPH,
but nothing happened.<br>
<br>
I speculate at 130 MPH, I'm
using up all the carb, or all
the fuel pump. One, the other,
or both.<br>
<br>
The Carb is a Ford stamped
Holley list with these numbers:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: black;">D8PE-9510-KA<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: black;">LIST 8414<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: black;">3113<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;
background: none repeat scroll 0%
0% white;" class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:
'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color:
black;">This link shows my email
back in 1999 with info from
Holley that I obtained.<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://poca.com/detomaso/1999-09/329.html"
target="_blank">http://poca.com/detomaso/1999-09/329.html</a><br>
Apparently it's a 600 cfm. it
has vacuum secondaries and
three-quarter turn emission
lockouts on the mixture screws.
I've put a standard rebuilt kit
through it once or twice. It's
been a really good carb, but I
don't know it will pull more
than 130 MPH.<br>
<br>
What to do.<br>
As always, money is a bit of an
issue. I'd like to install EFI
but that's really expensive.<br>
I'd like to keep it responsive
at low rpm like she is now, but
still have the throughput needed
at higher rpm at top speeds. I
think this leans me toward a
vacuum secondary rather than
mechanical. I'm sure the cfm
needs to be cranked up, but
would 650 do it or should I head
for 700 or higher?<br>
<br>
Does anyone have one they'd be
willing to part with?<br>
Should I send mine into someone
like Chuck Nuytten and have them
do their magic on it, replacing
metering blocks and other mods?<br>
Should I just buy a new one?<br>
<br>
The engine is a 351C bored .030
over, stock stroke.<br>
Heads are <span
class="MsoHyperlink">DOAE</span>,
<span class="MsoHyperlink">quench</span>
chamber.<br>
Cam is a Crane hydraulic roller
with these specs<br>
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Intake is an FPP 4145<br>
Stock ZF transmission<br>
<br>
I've got some time so I'm
looking for some
informed/experienced opinions on
what carb would be best.<br>
<br>
And since Professor Engles from
the Midwest Division of the
Pantera Research Institute is
engaged with Fuel pump
questions, I'll just follow his
thread on that part. :)<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Asa Jay<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: black;">-- <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: black;">& Shelley Marie<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: black;">Spokane, WA<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: black;">& Shelley Marie<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: black;">Spokane, WA<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<p class="avgcert" color="#000000" align="left">No virus found in
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