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<DIV>Hi all,</DIV>
<DIV>I already sent Asa some info . . . </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It would seem, for whatever reason, he is not getting enough air and/ or
fuel. ???? I run HUGE fuel lines (compared to recommendations) on
most everything. Still believe the 460 goes lean - time for a Robb super
pump?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>So, Asa, bigger air filter? bigger fuel lines? Fuel pump running to
spec?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>have fun.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>shoveling snow . . .</DIV>
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<DIV
style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=cengles@cox.net href="mailto:cengles@cox.net">Charles Engles</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=b.hower3400@yahoo.com
href="mailto:b.hower3400@yahoo.com">'B Hower'</A> ; <A
title=michael@michaelshortt.com
href="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com">michael@michaelshortt.com</A> ; <A
title=asajay@asajay.com href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com">'Asa Jay Laughton'</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=tpr@teampanteraracing.com
href="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com">'TPR List'</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 08, 2013 12:43
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [TPR] Carb and fuel
pump</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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Bud,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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Boy, I hate it when someone throw real world experience and evidence in the
middle of a theoretical discussion! Nicely done.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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From your experience, I think we can eliminate the 600 cfm Holley as the
culprit and consider the other potential causes.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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Warmest regards, Chuck Engles<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> TPR
[mailto:tpr-bounces@teampanteraracing.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>B
Hower<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 08, 2013 1:40 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com">michael@michaelshortt.com</A>; Asa Jay
Laughton<BR><B>Cc:</B> TPR List<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [TPR] Carb and fuel
pump<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 14pt">FWIW
-- I have had a gps reading of 147 mph with a 600 cmf Holley and stock style
aftermarket fuel pump. Engine was running iron 4V heads, .030 over bore. Isky
hyd cam.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Bud
#3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be !
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<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">On
Sunday, December 8, 2013 1:27 PM, "<A
href="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com">michael@michaelshortt.com</A>" <<A
href="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com">michael@michaelshortt.com</A>>
wrote:</SPAN><SPAN
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<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Asa,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">How restrictive is
your air intake apparatus? If too restrictive, that can have
dramatic effect, imagine an asthmatic running a
marathon.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Michael<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">On Dec 8, 2013
2:17 PM, "Asa Jay Laughton" <<A href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com"
target=_blank>asajay@asajay.com</A>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P style="BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Hi
all,<BR><BR>This year (2013) at the Silver State Classic Challenge, I recorded
a top speed in the trap of 130.7 MPH. When I reached the countdown to
the trap I was already doing just shy of that to bank time before the
Narrows. I consciously pressed the accelerator a bit more to push her up
to a goal 135 MPH, but nothing happened.<BR><BR>I speculate at 130 MPH, I'm
using up all the carb, or all the fuel pump. One, the other, or
both.<BR><BR>The Carb is a Ford stamped Holley list with these
numbers:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="COLOR: black">D8PE-9510-KA<o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="COLOR: black">LIST 8414<o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="COLOR: black">3113<o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE>
<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; BACKGROUND: white" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Helvetica','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">This link shows my
email back in 1999 with info from Holley that I obtained.<BR><A
href="http://poca.com/detomaso/1999-09/329.html"
target=_blank>http://poca.com/detomaso/1999-09/329.html</A><BR>Apparently it's
a 600 cfm. it has vacuum secondaries and three-quarter turn emission
lockouts on the mixture screws. I've put a standard rebuilt kit through
it once or twice. It's been a really good carb, but I don't know it will
pull more than 130 MPH.<BR><BR>What to do.<BR>As always, money is a bit of an
issue. I'd like to install EFI but that's really expensive.<BR>I'd like
to keep it responsive at low rpm like she is now, but still have the
throughput needed at higher rpm at top speeds. I think this leans me
toward a vacuum secondary rather than mechanical. I'm sure the cfm needs
to be cranked up, but would 650 do it or should I head for 700 or
higher?<BR><BR>Does anyone have one they'd be willing to part with?<BR>Should
I send mine into someone like Chuck Nuytten and have them do their magic on
it, replacing metering blocks and other mods?<BR>Should I just buy a new
one?<BR><BR>The engine is a 351C bored .030 over, stock stroke.<BR>Heads are
<SPAN class=MsoHyperlink>DOAE</SPAN>, <SPAN class=MsoHyperlink>quench</SPAN>
chamber.<BR>Cam is a Crane hydraulic roller with these specs<BR><IMG
id=_x0000_i1025 border=0 src="cid:A622D663DDB94E31AD9FC812EA8F8288@ZTxp"
width=771 height=685><BR>Intake is an FPP 4145<BR>Stock ZF
transmission<BR><BR>I've got some time so I'm looking for some
informed/experienced opinions on what carb would be best.<BR><BR>And since
Professor Engles from the Midwest Division of the Pantera Research Institute
is engaged with Fuel pump questions, I'll just follow his thread on that part.
:)<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR>Asa Jay<BR><BR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="COLOR: black">-- <o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired<o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="COLOR: black">& Shelley Marie<o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Spokane, WA<o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="COLOR: black">****************************** <o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><A href="http://www.racingagainstautism.com/" target=_blank>http://www.racingagainstautism.com</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><A href="http://www.teampanteraracing.com/" target=_blank>http://www.teampanteraracing.com</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><A href="http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism" target=_blank>http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="COLOR: black">-- <o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired<o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="COLOR: black">& Shelley Marie<o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="COLOR: black">Spokane, WA<o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="COLOR: black">****************************** <o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><A href="http://www.racingagainstautism.com/" target=_blank>http://www.racingagainstautism.com</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><A href="http://www.teampanteraracing.com/" target=_blank>http://www.teampanteraracing.com</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE><PRE style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><A href="http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism" target=_blank>http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></PRE></DIV></DIV>
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