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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear Bud,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Boy, I hate it when someone throw real world experience and evidence in the middle of a theoretical discussion! Nicely done.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> From your experience, I think we can eliminate the 600 cfm Holley as the culprit and consider the other potential causes.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> TPR [mailto:tpr-bounces@teampanteraracing.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>B Hower<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 08, 2013 1:40 PM<br><b>To:</b> michael@michaelshortt.com; Asa Jay Laughton<br><b>Cc:</b> TPR List<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TPR] Carb and fuel pump<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>FWIW -- I have had a gps reading of 147 mph with a 600 cmf Holley and stock style aftermarket fuel pump. Engine was running iron 4V heads, .030 over bore. Isky hyd cam.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! )<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:14.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>On Sunday, December 8, 2013 1:27 PM, "<a href="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com">michael@michaelshortt.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com">michael@michaelshortt.com</a>> wrote:</span><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div id=yiv3262145387><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Asa,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>How restrictive is your air intake apparatus? If too restrictive, that can have dramatic effect, imagine an asthmatic running a marathon.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Michael<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>On Dec 8, 2013 2:17 PM, "Asa Jay Laughton" <<a href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com" target="_blank">asajay@asajay.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=yiv3262145387yqt42192><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi all,<br><br>This year (2013) at the Silver State Classic Challenge, I recorded a top speed in the trap of 130.7 MPH. When I reached the countdown to the trap I was already doing just shy of that to bank time before the Narrows. I consciously pressed the accelerator a bit more to push her up to a goal 135 MPH, but nothing happened.<br><br>I speculate at 130 MPH, I'm using up all the carb, or all the fuel pump. One, the other, or both.<br><br>The Carb is a Ford stamped Holley list with these numbers:<o:p></o:p></span></p><pre style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>D8PE-9510-KA<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>LIST 8414<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>3113<o:p></o:p></span></pre><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>This link shows my email back in 1999 with info from Holley that I obtained.<br><a href="http://poca.com/detomaso/1999-09/329.html" target="_blank">http://poca.com/detomaso/1999-09/329.html</a><br>Apparently it's a 600 cfm. it has vacuum secondaries and three-quarter turn emission lockouts on the mixture screws. I've put a standard rebuilt kit through it once or twice. It's been a really good carb, but I don't know it will pull more than 130 MPH.<br><br>What to do.<br>As always, money is a bit of an issue. I'd like to install EFI but that's really expensive.<br>I'd like to keep it responsive at low rpm like she is now, but still have the throughput needed at higher rpm at top speeds. I think this leans me toward a vacuum secondary rather than mechanical. I'm sure the cfm needs to be cranked up, but would 650 do it or should I head for 700 or higher?<br><br>Does anyone have one they'd be willing to part with?<br>Should I send mine into someone like Chuck Nuytten and have them do their magic on it, replacing metering blocks and other mods?<br>Should I just buy a new one?<br><br>The engine is a 351C bored .030 over, stock stroke.<br>Heads are <span class=MsoHyperlink>DOAE</span>, <span class=MsoHyperlink>quench</span> chamber.<br>Cam is a Crane hydraulic roller with these specs<br><img border=0 width=771 height=685 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.png@01CEF41B.8907FEE0"><br>Intake is an FPP 4145<br>Stock ZF transmission<br><br>I've got some time so I'm looking for some informed/experienced opinions on what carb would be best.<br><br>And since Professor Engles from the Midwest Division of the Pantera Research Institute is engaged with Fuel pump questions, I'll just follow his thread on that part. :)<br><br>Thanks,<br>Asa Jay<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><pre style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>& Shelley Marie<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Spokane, WA<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>****************************** <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><a href="http://www.racingagainstautism.com/" target="_blank">http://www.racingagainstautism.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><a href="http://www.teampanteraracing.com/" target="_blank">http://www.teampanteraracing.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><a href="http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism" target="_blank">http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>& Shelley Marie<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Spokane, WA<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>****************************** <o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><a href="http://www.racingagainstautism.com/" target="_blank">http://www.racingagainstautism.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><a href="http://www.teampanteraracing.com/" target="_blank">http://www.teampanteraracing.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><a href="http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism" target="_blank">http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br>TPR mailing list<br><a href="mailto:TPR@teampanteraracing.com" target="_blank">TPR@teampanteraracing.com</a><br><a href="http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com" target="_blank">http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div id=yqt32052><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>TPR mailing list<br><a href="mailto:TPR@teampanteraracing.com">TPR@teampanteraracing.com</a><br><a href="http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com" target="_blank">http://teampanteraracing.com/mailman/listinfo/tpr_teampanteraracing.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>