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I have stock size fuel lines (recently replaced rubber though), and
what is probably a stock mechanical fuel pump.<br>
<br>
I ran the K&N Triangular Air filter shown here:<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?prod=60-1470">http://www.knfilters.com/search/product.aspx?prod=60-1470</a><br>
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Plugs appear pretty clean.<br>
Asa Jay<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
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<div>Hi all,</div>
<div>I already sent Asa some info . . . </div>
<div> </div>
<div>It would seem, for whatever reason, he is not getting enough
air and/ or fuel. ???? I run HUGE fuel lines (compared to
recommendations) on most everything. Still believe the 460 goes
lean - time for a Robb super pump?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>So, Asa, bigger air filter? bigger fuel lines? Fuel pump
running to spec?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>have fun.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>shoveling snow . . .</div>
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0% rgb(228, 228, 228);"><b>From:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" title="cengles@cox.net"
href="mailto:cengles@cox.net">Charles Engles</a> </div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>To:</b> <a
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href="mailto:b.hower3400@yahoo.com">'B Hower'</a> ; <a
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<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 08,
2013 12:43 PM</div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TPR] Carb
and fuel pump</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
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font-size: 11pt;"> Boy, I hate it when
someone throw real world experience and evidence in the
middle of a theoretical discussion! Nicely done.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
'Calibri','sans-serif'; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);
font-size: 11pt;"> From your experience,
I think we can eliminate the 600 cfm Holley as the culprit
and consider the other potential causes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>B Hower<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, December 08, 2013 1:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com">michael@michaelshortt.com</a>;
Asa Jay Laughton<br>
<b>Cc:</b> TPR List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [TPR] Carb and fuel pump<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"
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14pt;">FWIW -- I have had a gps reading of 147 mph with
a 600 cmf Holley and stock style aftermarket fuel pump.
Engine was running iron 4V heads, .030 over bore. Isky
hyd cam.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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2013 1:27 PM, "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0%
white;" class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:
'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color: black;">How
restrictive is your air intake apparatus?
If too restrictive, that can have
dramatic effect, imagine an asthmatic
running a marathon.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0%
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Dec 8, 2013 2:17 PM, "Asa Jay Laughton"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com"
target="_blank">asajay@asajay.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background: none repeat scroll
0% 0% white;" class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:
'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color:
black;">Hi all,<br>
<br>
This year (2013) at the Silver State
Classic Challenge, I recorded a top
speed in the trap of 130.7 MPH. When
I reached the countdown to the trap I
was already doing just shy of that to
bank time before the Narrows. I
consciously pressed the accelerator a
bit more to push her up to a goal 135
MPH, but nothing happened.<br>
<br>
I speculate at 130 MPH, I'm using up
all the carb, or all the fuel pump.
One, the other, or both.<br>
<br>
The Carb is a Ford stamped Holley list
with these numbers:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: black;">D8PE-9510-KA<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: black;">LIST 8414<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: black;">3113<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt; background:
none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"
class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:
'Helvetica','sans-serif'; color:
black;">This link shows my email back
in 1999 with info from Holley that I
obtained.<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://poca.com/detomaso/1999-09/329.html"
target="_blank">http://poca.com/detomaso/1999-09/329.html</a><br>
Apparently it's a 600 cfm. it has
vacuum secondaries and three-quarter
turn emission lockouts on the mixture
screws. I've put a standard rebuilt
kit through it once or twice. It's
been a really good carb, but I don't
know it will pull more than 130 MPH.<br>
<br>
What to do.<br>
As always, money is a bit of an
issue. I'd like to install EFI but
that's really expensive.<br>
I'd like to keep it responsive at low
rpm like she is now, but still have
the throughput needed at higher rpm at
top speeds. I think this leans me
toward a vacuum secondary rather than
mechanical. I'm sure the cfm needs to
be cranked up, but would 650 do it or
should I head for 700 or higher?<br>
<br>
Does anyone have one they'd be willing
to part with?<br>
Should I send mine into someone like
Chuck Nuytten and have them do their
magic on it, replacing metering blocks
and other mods?<br>
Should I just buy a new one?<br>
<br>
The engine is a 351C bored .030 over,
stock stroke.<br>
Heads are <span class="MsoHyperlink">DOAE</span>,
<span class="MsoHyperlink">quench</span>
chamber.<br>
Cam is a Crane hydraulic roller with
these specs<br>
<img id="_x0000_i1025"
src="cid:part1.09080807.09080105@asajay.com"
border="0" height="685" width="771"><br>
Intake is an FPP 4145<br>
Stock ZF transmission<br>
<br>
I've got some time so I'm looking for
some informed/experienced opinions on
what carb would be best.<br>
<br>
And since Professor Engles from the
Midwest Division of the Pantera
Research Institute is engaged with
Fuel pump questions, I'll just follow
his thread on that part. :)<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Asa Jay<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: black;">-- <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: black;">Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: black;">& Shelley Marie<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: black;">Spokane, WA<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: black;">& Shelley Marie<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre style="background: none repeat scroll 0% 0% white;"><span style="color: black;">Spokane, WA<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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