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Yes, we all knew this and I drove it to work today and tried to do
some testing during the drive back and forth. I'm not yet convinced
it's -not- in the engine. Though it may not be a balance problem
per-se' it may be something else like a bad plug, plug wire, or
lifters.<br>
<br>
I need to concentrate on some home stuff for a week or so, but
Bullet is interested in helping me troubleshoot, so I'll get him
involved and we'll go for some drives and exercise first and second
gear at higher rpms to see if we can find some commonality.<br>
<br>
I did a test in third gear just because I had an open stretch of
road and quickly found I can go pretty damn fast in third gear. :)
And yes, I do think I was getting vibration but again... it
beginning to seem more like it might be a miss.<br>
<br>
When I start troubleshooting, I try to document what I'm doing, how
it feels and solicit opinions.<br>
<br>
Meanwhile, I'd like to get opinions on various diagnostic equipment
(for old cars obviously) and I may be looking for an inexpensive
borescope too.<br>
<br>
Asa Jay<br>
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On 9/18/2013 8:56 AM, David wrote:
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<div>Good point. If no vibration in first it could be drivetrain.
If you have it in first gear as well as fifth probably motor. </div>
<div>We all knew this, right?<br>
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On Sep 18, 2013, at 9:46 AM, John Bentley <<a
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<div><span>if you think you have an engine balance problem
(very unlikely) you should verify that at 5,000 rpm in
first gear. If there is a resonance at the same rpm in
every gear, its possible you have a problem. Typically
if an engine gets out of balance, it won't last long.
The crank twisting forces are huge.</span></div>
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Wednesday, September 18, 2013 6:40 AM<br>
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Re: [TPR] Asa back at home<br>
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<div> Not a bad idea, except this damper was rebuilt
by Damper Dudes recently and is no longer stock.
The bolt is a good point; I'll check that when I
take the firewall cover off to do other work.<br>
<br>
Asa Jay<br>
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On 9/18/2013 6:20 AM, Jim Wallace wrote:
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<div><span>Asa,</span></div>
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<div><span>Don't forget about the harmonic
balancer, it may have shifted or the mail
bolt holding it on my have come loose.</span></div>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
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I dropped Bullet off at home about 12:45
and then I came home. Here is<br>
my wrap-up of the Pantera on course this
year.<br>
<br>
Somewhere past 90 MPH the Pantera had a
bad vibration. It was low<br>
pitched and I could feel it in the seat
of my pants. It was bad enough<br>
at the start I nearly pulled off just
three miles into the course. I<br>
pressed on for another couple of miles
slowly bringing her up to 120 and<br>
it didn't feel any worse, so we prayed
and kept going.<br>
<br>
I pushed up to about 130 in the trap and
it felt about the same. At<br>
some speeds it seemed to smooth out a
little but it did get worrisome. <br>
What is it? I don't know, but my gut
feel is that it's an imbalance in<br>
the engine, either due to something
being out of balance, or something<br>
like compression being off on one
cylinder, or a bad plug, plug wire,<br>
cap, rotor or maybe a lifter not working
as well as it should.<br>
<br>
Best case is wheels/tires out of
balance, or a half-shaft out of<br>
balance. I'll start there as those are
easy to do and probably need to<br>
be done again anyway. I have a great
shop in town who works on the<br>
half-shafts, and I think they can do a
high-speed balance on the<br>
wheels/tires. I'll check into it in the
coming weeks.<br>
<br>
Next, I'll start looking around for a
used portable engine analyzer. If<br>
I can find one, great. If not, well,
I'll start hunting around some of<br>
the performance shops for some dyno time
and see what we can find there.<br>
<br>
I would like to say overall the car ran
fine, and for the most part it<br>
didn't disappoint. But there -is- some
kind of stumble, even at low<br>
speeds, which leads me to believe
something is wrong with the engine. <br>
I've got all winter to figure it out.<br>
<br>
Be that as it may...<br>
Chalk up another successful trip from
Spokane, WA to Ely, NV. Add an<br>
average run of 119 MPH (5.5 seconds off
time), with a trap that should<br>
come close to 130 and I'd say I had a
good run.<br>
<br>
Oh and one more thing:<br>
At 70-75 MPH on the Interstate, my temp
gauge runs a needle width or<br>
more below 230 with no overheating. I
checked that last year and it was<br>
fine. Oil pressure at that speed is
near 75. That is normal freeway<br>
running. However, on course at 120, the
temp climbed to the needle<br>
touching 230 and the oil pressure was
just a needle or so above 35.<br>
<br>
My guess is that I was running a higher
temp in the engine which was<br>
thinning the oil. I'm thinking the
engine may have been running lean,<br>
it's hard to tell without an 02 sensor
or A/F gauge. One thing for<br>
certain, if I want to run faster, I'll
need to mod the cooling system<br>
and most likely add an oil cooler.<br>
<br>
I took an oil sample immediately after
the race and will send it in for<br>
analysis. I'll let you know how it all
comes back.<br>
<br>
Asa Jay<br>
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On 9/15/2013 4:12 PM, Teampantera wrote:<br>
> AJ and I both finished...my Bosch
elec fuel pump for Efi started going
south right after
passing.canyon/narrows...its never been
a problem in last couple 2-3 years
but....<br>
><br>
> Soon as fuel pressure falls below
43 pounds the efi computer shuts down
engineso engine doeant grenade...yea
good thing....but..<br>
><br>
> when I lost fuel pressure (luckly
Mike Trusty recommended I get a fuel
pressure gauge) the engine SHUT
DOWN.....I was aberaging 145+ at
Narrows....so every time fuel pressure
fell below 43 engine shut down
completly...<br>
><br>
> I'd throw it in neutral and about
5-10 seconds later the fuel pressure
would go back up and engine would fire
up again...I did that like a DOZEN
times but it worked and I
finished.....I think I was far enough
ahead of my goal speed that I only lost
about a total of 5 mph or a 135 average.
In the last 20 miles. I was just so
happy to FINISH so no complaints what so
ever.<br>
><br>
> AJ said his run went okay.....but
he had a unidentifed high.speed
vibration above +/- 120 or.130...he can
clear that up<br>
> Later when he gives his summary
report but he thought it might have been
his tire guy didnt get high speed
balancing right....and yea it could be a
dozen other things too and we wont.know
until he gets home amd can tell us.<br>
><br>
> AJ and the Major drove back to Ely
for awards banquet there tonight and
then they are headed back to
Washington....and Peter, Mark and I are
back in Vegas. Will find out tonight how
we really did but happy we finished!!<br>
><br>
> Mark and AJ got.lots of photos so
they will follow for sure.<br>
><br>
> David in Durango <<a
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wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Standing out on the high desert
waiting for a green light?<br>
>><br>
>> Sounds like good odds. You
certainly have some good support - we
should see <br>
>> a trophy or two?<br>
>><br>
>> Seems the Pantera would qualify
as a vintage car - mine is 40 years old
(and <br>
>> getting better every day!)<br>
>><br>
>> No matter what - BE SAFE!<br>
>><br>
>> All the dogs on the porch want
to see pictures! Good luck w/ the rail
<br>
>> project - I want a tour!<br>
>><br>
>> Peace out.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ----- Original Message ----- <br>
>> From: "Teampantera" <<a
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>> To: <<a
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>> Sent: Saturday, September 14,
2013 11:35 PM<br>
>> Subject: [TPR] The Competition<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>>> In AJ' 120 division class
(his goal is to nail 120 and can go a
sfast as <br>
>>> 140) there are only 7
entries...compare that to 24 entries in
the 110 <br>
>>> class. His competition
includes many veterans...there is a
awsome 1969 AMX <br>
>>> and a race prepared Caddy
CTS-V. The rest are one vette, 1
mustang, 1 87 <br>
>>> Firebird, and race
prepared ASA truck<br>
>>><br>
>>> In my 140 (165 Tech) group
they are all veterans and include two
Porsches <br>
>>> (911t & 89 928S), one
600HP Shelby GT500, a Mustang Cobra, a
Z06, one <br>
>>> camaro, and two other C6
Vettes but not one vintage car.<br>
>>><br>
>>> And only 7 vintage pre-74
entries out of 127 total entries...we
should all <br>
>>> be proud of having two non
race car panteras here this weekend.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I EXPECT to finish
tomorrow. And I EXPECT Asa will WIN
something...his <br>
>>> Pantera looks so good and
sounds even better.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Hanging out in JB's "Cafe
Finito" all weekend was awsome too. He
fed us, <br>
>>> had cold brewskys and some
stuff called Bud Light ;-))))<br>
>>><br>
>>> To have our buddies here
helping us was so big I can NOT even
begin to <br>
>>> describe how good it made
me feel.<br>
>>><br>
>>> So big thank you to Peter,
John, Mark, and AJ's dad who is a <br>
>>> firecracker....I dont even
believe the Major fathered Asa....what I
think <br>
>>> happened was Bullet just
adopted Asa or found him under a rock <br>
>>> somewhere.... ;-)))))<br>
>>><br>
>>> But the Major who I will
write much more about next week is a
USAF legend <br>
>>> flying among other jets a
F-111 and of course the B52
(BUFF)...There is no <br>
>>> combat veteran that ever
called in and actually got and then saw
and <br>
>>> heard a B52 arclight bomb
run who could not be impressed.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Okay guys...hitting the
sack and next week starting the new high
speed <br>
>>> (bullet) rail project in
Central Valley (Fresno)...20 miles from
Sequoia <br>
>>> and Kings Canyon Nat
Parks...so super excited..first one in
the nation.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Old Dawg<br>
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