All too much drama for me. Herding cats is a good way to put it.<div>And you can't keep all the cats happy all the time.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm on an HOA as well and it must be my old age, but I'm getting real tired of people fighting over stupid little shitty things.</div>
<div>Tempests in a teapot, I've heard them called.</div><div><br></div><div>Oh, well.... back to my corner....<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Mad Dog Antenucci <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:teampantera@yahoo.com" target="_blank">teampantera@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><div>These rants are one more reason I have not been on the De Tomaso Forum since 2010.</div>
<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"> <div style="font-family:'times new roman','new york',times,serif;font-size:12pt"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span></b> David in Durango <<a href="mailto:adin@frontier.net" target="_blank">adin@frontier.net</a>><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com" target="_blank">michael@michaelshortt.com</a>; TPR List <<a href="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com" target="_blank">tpr@teampanteraracing.com</a>> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, October 15, 2012 7:30 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [TPR] Fwd: Re: [DeTomaso] fun rally<br> </font> </div> <br>
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<div>The reason I'm on the TPR list is for tech talk and driving events.
Ghetto seats, who is mean to whom and which wax topics are for the Pantera mail
list, IMO.</div>
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<div>David in Durango<br>Pantera, take it out and play with it!</div>
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<a rel="nofollow" title="michaelsavga@gmail.com" href="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com" target="_blank">michael@michaelshortt.com</a> </div>
<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:10pt;line-height:normal;font-family:arial"><b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" title="tpr@teampanteraracing.com" href="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com" target="_blank">TPR List</a> </div>
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<div style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:10pt;line-height:normal;font-family:arial"><b>Subject:</b> [TPR] Fwd: Re: [DeTomaso] fun
rally</div>
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<div>Thought you guys would appreciate this.</div>
<div>Michael</div>
<div>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: "<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com" target="_blank">michael@michaelshortt.com</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:michaelsavga@gmail.com" target="_blank">michaelsavga@gmail.com</a>><br>
Date:
Oct 15, 2012 7:00 AM<br>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] fun rally<br>To: <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com" target="_blank">michael@michaelshortt.com</a>><br>Cc:
"John Taphorn" <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:jtaphorn@kingwoodcable.com" target="_blank">jtaphorn@kingwoodcable.com</a>>,
"Mike Thomas" <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:mbefthomas@comcast.net" target="_blank">mbefthomas@comcast.net</a>>, "DeTomaso
Forum" <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:detomaso@realbig.com" target="_blank">detomaso@realbig.com</a>><br><br>
<div>Obviously what I thought was a private email exchange between John and I
was shared in the little POCA clique, seems only fair that my response be
shared as well.<br>It is petty BS like this that gives POCA the reputation it
has.</div>
<div>Have you no integrity at all?</div>
<div>Michael Shortt</div>
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<div>On Oct 14, 2012 10:25 PM, "<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com" target="_blank">michael@michaelshortt.com</a>" <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:michaelsavga@gmail.com" target="_blank">michaelsavga@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Thank you for your long and thoughtful response.</div>
<div>1. I was a member and I was treated poorly and spoken to rudely. That is
why I am not a member now.</div>
<div>I have no aversion to being a member again if the attitude has
improved.<br>Certainly, dialogue of any kind is a good first step.</div>
<div>2. Perhaps planning an event like the existing Fun Rally presents a
challenge for some, few people understand the finer points of logistics and
herding cats.</div>
<div>To be honest, your email has a condescending tone, either intentionally
or accidentally, I'm not sure which. My mother taught me to
think the latter, life - the former.</div>
<div>The truth is, aside from volunteers to help with registration ( and this
kind of service can be provided by temporary workers ), I don't need any
help whatsoever planning a full featured event like this, herding cats and
logistics is what I do every day.</div>
<div>It is how I have made a living for 30 years.</div>
<div>So you folks can offer constructive support and let me help at least make
POCA appear more inclusive than it seems to be or not, but perhaps emails
like yours are the reason that many do not want to do anything.</div>
<div>Lastly, I have absolutely ZERO desire to be involved in POCA in any
capacity outside planning and running an event, much too political and
bureaucractic for my liking. I have run 38 political campaigns ( winning. 35
of them ) for local, state and national politicians, I have been the
President of 2 HOAs ( a 210 home gated community and a 1,300 home community)
plus leadership positions from my fraternity in College to Civic Groups,
I've had enough drama to last my entire life.</div>
<div>Not counting 300+ commercials, 400+ tv shows and 35 feature films.</div>
<div>So what I think is this, support it or don't, it's going to happen either
way, POCA's absence by omission may speak greater volumes about an
organization that is already preceived by many as to be anything but
inclusive.<br></div>
<div>Michael Shortt<br></div>
<div>On Oct 14, 2012 9:45 PM, "John Taphorn" <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:jtaphorn@kingwoodcable.com" target="_blank">jtaphorn@kingwoodcable.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex">Mike<br><br>A good first step would be to join the
organization whose help you seek. Don't confuse it with a charity, it is
established to support it's members. Then look at the Board of
directors and figure out which volunteer has the extra time to help you.
After you figure out everyone's plate is already full. Run for
a leadership role and steer the present team to support your initiatives
and recruit new folks to implement your vision.<br><br>POCA is a lean
organization of a very few volunteers who step up for Board and Chapter
leadership. It is not a government bureaucracy with a bunch of
people on payroll getting fat on dues.<br><br>Honestly, it is not
practical for POCA in it's current structure to organize multiple Fun
Rallies each year on the scale of it's current one.<br><br>As a chapter
Presidents in Texas, Kirby Schrader, past Space City Chapter Prez and
current member, and I rotated annually hosting a track and driving event
at Texas World Speedway. Eventually, I got involved at a National
Level and with Kirby out of the country, the event was discontinued.
That said, Our Chapter organized and sponsored the event, not POCA
national. We didn't ask or wait for POCA blessing. Dennis Quella and
Gary Hall also came out for the fun for several years. We never
complained that POCA didn't christen it a National Event.<br><br>If anyone
believes POCA should play a larger role, they are simply out of touch with
the available volunteers at the national level.<br><br>You can continue to
criticize those few who have stepped up to run the Club or you can do
something meaningful. Run for office and using your charisma,
recruit more volunteers and build a larger and better organization.
Or, start a local Chapter and host your event.<br><br>I was
President of POCA for 4 years and on the Board for eight. I can
assure that the volunteers are all pretty smart people with many good
ideas. It reminds me of a time when I was on a driving event in Las
Vegas during one of the Fun Rally's. The Pantera driver that I was
with owned a business and spent much of the time regaling me with terrific
ideas for the club. At a certain point, I had to stop him. I
apprised him that his ideas were excellent. Frankly, the Board was
not lacking ideas or a checklist of items to make the organization
stronger. What it lacked were volunteers who were willing to step up
and give their time to implement these initiatives. To which he
responded that his work kept him to busy for that. Well, I work full
time and a half as well, but it is important enough for me to at least try
to help. it is said that vision without execution is hallucination,
POCA needs more boots on the ground. It will take charismatic
leadership to make that happen.<br><br>Unfortunately, it is rare that
someone steps up to the national level of the organization to make a
difference. It is time for another to make the
leap.<br><br>JT<br><br><br><br><br>On 10/14/2012 6:37 PM, <a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com" target="_blank">michael@michaelshortt.com</a> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex">I'm moving forward with two projects, I hope to have
the support of POCA<br>with both, heretofore, aside from the use of the
forum ( which I appreciate<br>), neither of my Summer Summit events in
2011 or 2012 have had any support<br>whatsoever. I hope that those in
positions of influence will realize that<br>there are benefits to
inclusion and assistance with regard to membership<br>and Pantera
awareness in general.<br>Project ONE. 2013, June.<br>Summer Summer
#3. A touring 4 day Pantera event that covers points
of<br>interest and amazing driving roads in<br>GA, NC, VA and SC. Dates
and Itinerary TBA.<br>PROJECT TWO. 2013, June<br>FUN RALLY -
East<br>Savannah, GA<br>5 Days - 2 Road Courses, 1 Drag strip, 1
car show and a lowcountry driving<br>tour<br>That includes the course of
the Original United States Grand Prix from<br>1908-1916<br><a rel="nofollow" href="http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Grand_Prix#section_1" target="_blank">http://en.m.wikipedia.org/<u></u>wiki/United_States_Grand_Prix#<u></u>section_1</a><br>
<br>I
will not have a 2014 Summer Summit.<br><br>Savannah will be first
because I live here and foresee doing the majority<br>of the work ( that
should in no way imply that help would not ne<br>appreciated ).<br><br>I
would hope that the POCA would asisst me in promoting FUN RALLY
EAST<br>As either THE only Fun Rally in 2014 or one of two.<br>It would
be unfortunate if these events were seen as competition, I would<br>love
West Coast and Texas, etc. to attend both events, of course I
hope<br>that we really draw many from the Northeast, Mid-Atlantic,
Southeast and<br>Rustbelt who may have, like me, felt less than included
( based on distance<br>and expense, moreso than any negative outward
comments or actions ) at<br>previous events in Reno and
Phoenix.<br><br>So there is it, my plans.<br><br>I will develop a
website for each on the coming months, if you want to<br>help, I'd love
it. I need to be decisive to make these happen, so
please<br>understand that I'm not changing the month or the locations,
not trying to<br>be a dick, but somebody needs to lead and I organize
for a living.<br><br>More to come,<br><br>Michael Shortt<br> On
Oct 14, 2012 6:32 PM, "Bob Lehmann" <<a rel="nofollow" href="mailto:bob@longwood2.com" target="_blank">bob@longwood2.com</a>>
wrote:<br><br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PADDING-LEFT:1ex">You know there is no law saying you couldn't have
two rally's per every<br>third year. I would like to go to one
on the east coast, but wouldn't go<br>to the west coast, too far and
way too
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