<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span><span id="misspell-0" class="mark">Ohhhh</span> you should have never telegraphed that move Irish.....I am gonna stock up on <span id="misspell-1" class=""><span>CATERPILLAR</span></span> TRACTOR decals</span></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; "> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> tpr@teampanteraracing.com <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:30 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [TPR] Oil weight opinions<br> </font> </div>
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Better come prepared buddy, with a lot of helpers if you want to
stay ahead of the team <span id="misspell-3" class="mark">that'll</span> do it -again- this year, when
<span id="misspell-4" class="mark">nobody's</span> watching. >:)<br>
<br>
<insert evil laugh here><br>
Asa Jay<br>
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On 8/21/2012 3:57 AM, Steven <span id="misspell-7" class="mark">Donegan</span> wrote:
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<div><span><span id="misspell-8" class="mark">Hmmm</span>, maybe I should repeat a prank the dog did with
a different twist - go around to all the <span id="misspell-9" class="mark">Pantera's</span> with Team
Invaders and <span id="misspell-10" class="mark">Amsoil</span> decals :-)</span></div>
<div> </div>
<div>____________<br>
Steven <span id="misspell-11" class="mark">Donegan</span><br>
<span id="misspell-12" class="mark">SSCC</span>/<span id="misspell-13" class="mark">NORC</span> Life Member, Car #86<br>
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<div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>
Teampantera <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv143199473moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:teampantera@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:teampantera@yahoo.com"><teampantera@yahoo.com></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Asa
Jay Laughton <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv143199473moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:asajay@asajay.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com"><asajay@asajay.com></a>;
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Tuesday, August 21, 2012 12:24 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [TPR] Oil weight opinions<br>
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<div>Royal Purple were not one of the 2011 sponsors but
the president of the company like K&N and <span id="misspell-16" class="mark">Ultima</span> who
have been long time sponsors have been pretty generous
with give aways in past...I think (?) <span id="misspell-17" class="mark">JB</span> besides the
free oil also got FREE battery too. <span id="misspell-18" class="mark">JB</span>, was that you? I
got a couple K&N filters for my IR-<span id="misspell-19" class="mark">EFIs</span> which
retail for about $50 bucks a piece which was
cool....since you will be going to Vegas first all the
sponsors will be there soaking up media/mag
coverage...just in case Royal Purple shows up <span id="misspell-20" class="mark">dont</span> get
caught wearing your <span id="misspell-21" class="mark">AMSOIL</span> DEALER <span id="misspell-22" class="mark">tshirt</span> ;-)</div>
<div>Asa Jay Laughton <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv143199473moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:asajay@asajay.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com"><asajay@asajay.com></a> wrote:</div>
<div>>No it's not free. :)<br>
>I've been using <span id="misspell-23" class="mark">Amsoil</span> in all our rigs now for a few
years. I used to <br>
>be a dealer 25 years ago, but dropped it some time
back. After nuking <br>
>the old engine in the Mach I (the really old engine
I rebuilt 25 years <br>
>ago)[1], and reading everything about the lack of
<span id="misspell-24" class="mark">ZDDP</span> in modern oils, I <br>
>switched back to <span id="misspell-25" class="mark">Amsoil</span>.<br>
><br>
>Yes, I wish it were free, but trying to find a
sponsoring dealer might <br>
>be a bit tricky. Does Steve get -his- for free? I
guess you could say <br>
>I'm sponsoring myself in that regard. :)<br>
><br>
>Asa Jay<br>
>[1] I believe the largest contributing factor to
nuking the Mach I <br>
>engine was using "modern" <span id="misspell-26" class="mark">SL</span> grade engine oils with
hardly any <span id="misspell-27" class="mark">ZDDP</span>.<br>
><br>
>Asa Jay Laughton, <span id="misspell-28" class="mark">MSgt</span>, <span id="misspell-29" class="mark">USAFR</span>, Retired<br>
>& Shelley Marie<br>
>Spokane, WA<br>
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>On 8/20/2012 8:54 PM, Teampantera wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Is it free? ;-)<br>
>><br>
>> Asa Jay Laughton <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv143199473moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:asajay@asajay.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com"><asajay@asajay.com></a>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> >All,<br>
>> >In addition to the public replies, I
received a few private ones as<br>
>> >well. I'd like to thank everyone for their
input, I consider it <br>
>> valuable.<br>
>> ><br>
>> >The engine is an older model Ford 351C. I
wouldn't expect it to have<br>
>> >the same kind of tight tolerances a modern
engine would have. The<br>
>> >majority of clearances on the rebuild came
out to within factory specs,<br>
>> >but not necessarily on the "tight" side.
Therefore running something<br>
>> >that would work well in a modern tight
engine may not be the best. That<br>
>> >removed the 5W-20 from the list.<br>
>> ><br>
>> >The engine is using a hydraulic roller
camshaft, with full roller<br>
>> >rockers (fulcrums and tips).<br>
>> >The break-in oil I have is -supposedly-
high in <span id="misspell-31" class="mark">ZDDP</span>. The <span id="misspell-32" class="mark">Amsoil</span><br>
>> >product I'm looking at is also high in
<span id="misspell-33" class="mark">ZDDP</span>, no worries there.<br>
>> ><br>
>> >My choice based on non-forum feedback as
well as the advice here, is the<br>
>> >15W-50 product, here:<br>
>> ><a rel="nofollow" class="yiv143199473moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/rd50.aspx">http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/rd50.aspx</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> >Thanks everyone, :)<br>
>> >Asa Jay<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> >Asa Jay Laughton, <span id="misspell-34" class="mark">MSgt</span>, <span id="misspell-35" class="mark">USAFR</span>, Retired<br>
>> >& Shelley Marie<br>
>> >Spokane, WA<br>
>> >******************************<br>
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>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> >On 8/20/2012 8:11 PM, John Bentley wrote:<br>
>> >> I use Valvoline Race 20W-50 for ORR or
track since I know the oil is<br>
>> >> gonna be hot. I also add some <span id="misspell-36" class="mark">ZDDP</span>.
After the race I use 10W-40 for<br>
>> >> around town. There is no "right"
answer to this though as there are<br>
>> >> many opinions.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> <span id="misspell-37" class="mark">JB</span><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> <br>
>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
>> >> *From:* Teampantera
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>> >> *To:* Asa Jay Laughton
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>> >> *Sent:* Monday, August 20, 2012 7:36
PM<br>
>> >> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] Oil weight
opinions<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Consensus?<br>
>> >> <span id="misspell-40" class="mark">AMSOIL</span> sponsoring you?<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> <span id="misspell-41" class="mark">Fyi</span> - Jack posted something comparing
motor oils in Newsletter in last<br>
>> >> few months.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> When <span id="misspell-42" class="mark">JB</span> got a FREE case of Royal
Purple at Silver State I just stole<br>
>> >> his oil otherwise that liquid gold is
too much money in my humble <br>
>> opinion.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I've read all the claims by <span id="misspell-43" class="mark">amsoil</span>,
<span id="misspell-44" class="mark">redline</span>, royal purple, etc and I<br>
>> >> know you and others are loyal users
but my feedback from some pro<br>
>> >> drivers (<span id="misspell-45" class="mark">JB</span> & the Pope).was unless
you get sponsored FREE motor oil or<br>
>> >> are turning 7,000 R's for an hour any
quality motor oil is fine.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> After my initial break in I did use
Mobil One for awhile but went<br>
>> >> right back to Valvoline <span id="misspell-46" class="mark">VR</span>1 race oil
because I found a case in back of<br>
>> >> the garage I forgot.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I change it after <span id="misspell-47" class="mark">avery</span> <span id="misspell-48" class="mark">orr</span> or track
event. Yea I read there is some<br>
>> >> advantage to using a oil with a high
<span id="misspell-49" class="mark">zddp</span> content but why pay<br>
>> >> the.extra$2-3 bucks a qt for that
<span id="misspell-50" class="mark">stiuff</span> but is it worth 6-9 bucks a<br>
>> >> quart?<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Only if you think so ;-)<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Asa Jay Laughton <<a rel="nofollow" class="yiv143199473moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:asajay@asajay.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com">asajay@asajay.com</a>
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>> >><br>
>> >> >All,<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> >I'll be running a break-in oil in
the <span id="misspell-51" class="mark">Pantera</span> for the next few <br>
>> weeks as<br>
>> >> >I put as many miles on her as
possible.<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> >After that I'll switch to the
permanent oil. Here are the options I'm<br>
>> >> >looking at, from <span id="misspell-52" class="mark">Asmoil</span> in
weights:<br>
>> >> > 5W-20<br>
>> >> > 10W-30<br>
>> >> > 15W-50<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> >What would the expert consensus
be? (I already know what I'd <br>
>> like, but<br>
>> >> >I'm looking for alternate opinions
which could change my mind)<br>
>> >> >Asa Jay<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> >Asa Jay Laughton, <span id="misspell-53" class="mark">MSgt</span>, <span id="misspell-54" class="mark">USAFR</span>,
Retired<br>
>> >> >& Shelley Marie<br>
>> >> >Spokane, WA<br>
>> >> >******************************<br>
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>><br>
>> All,<br>
>> In addition to the public replies, I received a
few private ones as <br>
>> well. I'd like to thank everyone for their
input, I consider it valuable.<br>
>><br>
>> The engine is an older model Ford 351C. I
wouldn't expect it to have <br>
>> the same kind of tight tolerances a modern
engine would have. The <br>
>> majority of clearances on the rebuild came out
to within factory <br>
>> specs, but not necessarily on the "tight"
side. Therefore running <br>
>> something that would work well in a modern
tight engine may not be the <br>
>> best. That removed the 5W-20 from the list.<br>
>><br>
>> The engine is using a hydraulic roller
camshaft, with full roller <br>
>> rockers (fulcrums and tips).<br>
>> The break-in oil I have is -supposedly- high in
<span id="misspell-60" class="mark">ZDDP</span>. The <span id="misspell-61" class="mark">Amsoil</span> <br>
>> product I'm looking at is also high in <span id="misspell-62" class="mark">ZDDP</span>, no
worries there.<br>
>><br>
>> My choice based on non-forum feedback as well
as the advice here, is <br>
>> the 15W-50 product, here:<br>
>> <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv143199473moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/rd50.aspx">http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/rd50.aspx</a><br>
>><br>
>> Thanks everyone, :)<br>
>> Asa Jay<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Asa Jay Laughton, <span id="misspell-63" class="mark">MSgt</span>, <span id="misspell-64" class="mark">USAFR</span>, Retired<br>
>> & Shelley Marie<br>
>> Spokane, WA<br>
>> ******************************<br>
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>><br>
>> On 8/20/2012 8:11 PM, John Bentley wrote:<br>
>>> I use Valvoline Race 20W-50 for ORR or
track since I know the oil is <br>
>>> gonna be hot. I also add some <span id="misspell-65" class="mark">ZDDP</span>. After
the race I use 10W-40 for <br>
>>> around town. There is no "right" answer to
this though as there are <br>
>>> many opinions.<br>
>>><br>
>>> <span id="misspell-66" class="mark">JB</span><br>
>>><br>
>>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
>>> *From:* Teampantera
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>>> *To:* Asa Jay Laughton
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>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 20, 2012 7:36 PM<br>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] Oil weight opinions<br>
>>><br>
>>> Consensus?<br>
>>> <span id="misspell-69" class="mark">AMSOIL</span> sponsoring you?<br>
>>><br>
>>> <span id="misspell-70" class="mark">Fyi</span> - Jack posted something comparing motor
oils in Newsletter in <br>
>>> last few months.<br>
>>><br>
>>> When <span id="misspell-71" class="mark">JB</span> got a FREE case of Royal Purple at
Silver State I just stole <br>
>>> his oil otherwise that liquid gold is too
much money in my humble <br>
>>> opinion.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I've read all the claims by <span id="misspell-72" class="mark">amsoil</span>,
<span id="misspell-73" class="mark">redline</span>, royal purple, etc and I <br>
>>> know you and others are loyal users but my
feedback from some pro <br>
>>> drivers (<span id="misspell-74" class="mark">JB</span> & the Pope).was unless you
get sponsored FREE motor oil <br>
>>> or are turning 7,000 R's for an hour any
quality motor oil is fine.<br>
>>><br>
>>> After my initial break in I did use Mobil
One for awhile but went <br>
>>> right back to Valvoline <span id="misspell-75" class="mark">VR</span>1 race oil
because I found a case in back <br>
>>> of the garage I forgot.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I change it after <span id="misspell-76" class="mark">avery</span> <span id="misspell-77" class="mark">orr</span> or track event.
Yea I read there is <br>
>>> some advantage to using a oil with a high
<span id="misspell-78" class="mark">zddp</span> content but why pay <br>
>>> the.extra$2-3 bucks a qt for that <span id="misspell-79" class="mark">stiuff</span>
but is it worth 6-9 bucks a <br>
>>> quart?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Only if you think so ;-)<br>
>>><br>
>>> Asa Jay Laughton <<a rel="nofollow" class="yiv143199473moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:asajay@asajay.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com">asajay@asajay.com</a>
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>>><br>
>>> >All,<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> >I'll be running a break-in oil in the
<span id="misspell-80" class="mark">Pantera</span> for the next few weeks as<br>
>>> >I put as many miles on her as possible.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> >After that I'll switch to the permanent
oil. Here are the options I'm<br>
>>> >looking at, from <span id="misspell-81" class="mark">Asmoil</span> in weights:<br>
>>> > 5W-20<br>
>>> > 10W-30<br>
>>> > 15W-50<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> >What would the expert consensus be? (I
already know what I'd like, but<br>
>>> >I'm looking for alternate opinions
which could change my mind)<br>
>>> >Asa Jay<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> >Asa Jay Laughton, <span id="misspell-82" class="mark">MSgt</span>, <span id="misspell-83" class="mark">USAFR</span>, Retired<br>
>>> >& Shelley Marie<br>
>>> >Spokane, WA<br>
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<div> No it's not free. :)<br>
I've been using <span id="misspell-90" class="mark">Amsoil</span> in all our rigs now for a few
years. I used to be a dealer 25 years ago, but dropped
it some time back. After nuking the old engine in the
Mach I (the really old engine I rebuilt 25 years
ago)[1], and reading everything about the lack of <span id="misspell-91" class="mark">ZDDP</span>
in modern oils, I switched back to <span id="misspell-92" class="mark">Amsoil</span>.<br>
<br>
Yes, I wish it were free, but trying to find a
sponsoring dealer might be a bit tricky. Does Steve get
-his- for free? I guess you could say I'm sponsoring
myself in that regard. :)<br>
<br>
Asa Jay<br>
[1] I believe the largest contributing factor to nuking
the Mach I engine was using "modern" <span id="misspell-93" class="mark">SL</span> grade engine
oils with hardly any <span id="misspell-94" class="mark">ZDDP</span>.<br>
<pre class="yiv143199473moz-signature">Asa Jay Laughton, <span id="misspell-95" class="mark">MSgt</span>, <span id="misspell-96" class="mark">USAFR</span>, Retired
& Shelley Marie
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On 8/20/2012 8:54 PM, Teampantera wrote:
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<div>Is it free? ;-)</div>
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<div>>All,<br>
>In addition to the public replies, I received a
few private ones as <br>
>well. I'd like to thank everyone for their
input, I consider it valuable.<br>
><br>
>The engine is an older model Ford 351C. I
wouldn't expect it to have <br>
>the same kind of tight tolerances a modern
engine would have. The <br>
>majority of clearances on the rebuild came out
to within factory specs, <br>
>but not necessarily on the "tight" side.
Therefore running something <br>
>that would work well in a modern tight engine
may not be the best. That <br>
>removed the 5W-20 from the list.<br>
><br>
>The engine is using a hydraulic roller camshaft,
with full roller <br>
>rockers (fulcrums and tips).<br>
>The break-in oil I have is -supposedly- high in
<span id="misspell-98" class="mark">ZDDP</span>. The <span id="misspell-99" class="mark">Amsoil</span> <br>
>product I'm looking at is also high in <span id="misspell-100" class="mark">ZDDP</span>, no
worries there.<br>
><br>
>My choice based on non-forum feedback as well as
the advice here, is the <br>
>15W-50 product, here:<br>
><a rel="nofollow" class="yiv143199473moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/rd50.aspx">http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/rd50.aspx</a><br>
><br>
>Thanks everyone, :)<br>
>Asa Jay<br>
><br>
><br>
>Asa Jay Laughton, <span id="misspell-101" class="mark">MSgt</span>, <span id="misspell-102" class="mark">USAFR</span>, Retired<br>
>& Shelley Marie<br>
>Spokane, WA<br>
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>On 8/20/2012 8:11 PM, John Bentley wrote:<br>
>> I use Valvoline Race 20W-50 for ORR or
track since I know the oil is <br>
>> gonna be hot. I also add some <span id="misspell-103" class="mark">ZDDP</span>. After
the race I use 10W-40 for <br>
>> around town. There is no "right" answer to
this though as there are <br>
>> many opinions.<br>
>><br>
>> <span id="misspell-104" class="mark">JB</span><br>
>><br>
>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
>> *From:* Teampantera <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv143199473moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:teampantera@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:teampantera@yahoo.com">mailto:teampantera@yahoo.com</a><br>
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>> *Sent:* Monday, August 20, 2012 7:36 PM<br>
>> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] Oil weight opinions<br>
>><br>
>> Consensus?<br>
>> <span id="misspell-107" class="mark">AMSOIL</span> sponsoring you?<br>
>><br>
>> <span id="misspell-108" class="mark">Fyi</span> - Jack posted something comparing motor
oils in Newsletter in last <br>
>> few months.<br>
>><br>
>> When <span id="misspell-109" class="mark">JB</span> got a FREE case of Royal Purple at
Silver State I just stole <br>
>> his oil otherwise that liquid gold is too
much money in my humble opinion.<br>
>><br>
>> I've read all the claims by <span id="misspell-110" class="mark">amsoil</span>,
<span id="misspell-111" class="mark">redline</span>, royal purple, etc and I <br>
>> know you and others are loyal users but my
feedback from some pro <br>
>> drivers (<span id="misspell-112" class="mark">JB</span> & the Pope).was unless you
get sponsored FREE motor oil or <br>
>> are turning 7,000 R's for an hour any
quality motor oil is fine.<br>
>><br>
>> After my initial break in I did use Mobil
One for awhile but went <br>
>> right back to Valvoline <span id="misspell-113" class="mark">VR</span>1 race oil
because I found a case in back of <br>
>> the garage I forgot.<br>
>><br>
>> I change it after <span id="misspell-114" class="mark">avery</span> <span id="misspell-115" class="mark">orr</span> or track event.
Yea I read there is some <br>
>> advantage to using a oil with a high <span id="misspell-116" class="mark">zddp</span>
content but why pay <br>
>> the.extra$2-3 bucks a qt for that <span id="misspell-117" class="mark">stiuff</span>
but is it worth 6-9 bucks a <br>
>> quart?<br>
>><br>
>> Only if you think so ;-)<br>
>><br>
>> Asa Jay Laughton <<a rel="nofollow" class="yiv143199473moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:asajay@asajay.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com">asajay@asajay.com</a>
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>><br>
>> >All,<br>
>> ><br>
>> >I'll be running a break-in oil in the
<span id="misspell-118" class="mark">Pantera</span> for the next few weeks as<br>
>> >I put as many miles on her as possible.<br>
>> ><br>
>> >After that I'll switch to the permanent
oil. Here are the options I'm<br>
>> >looking at, from <span id="misspell-119" class="mark">Asmoil</span> in weights:<br>
>> > 5W-20<br>
>> > 10W-30<br>
>> > 15W-50<br>
>> ><br>
>> >What would the expert consensus be? (I
already know what I'd like, but<br>
>> >I'm looking for alternate opinions
which could change my mind)<br>
>> >Asa Jay<br>
>> ><br>
>> >Asa Jay Laughton, <span id="misspell-120" class="mark">MSgt</span>, <span id="misspell-121" class="mark">USAFR</span>, Retired<br>
>> >& Shelley Marie<br>
>> >Spokane, WA<br>
>> >******************************<br>
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>> ><br>
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All,<br>
In addition to the public replies, I received a few
private ones as well. I'd like to thank everyone for
their input, I consider it valuable.<br>
<br>
The engine is an older model Ford 351C. I wouldn't
expect it to have the same kind of tight tolerances a
modern engine would have. The majority of clearances
on the rebuild came out to within factory specs, but
not necessarily on the "tight" side. Therefore
running something that would work well in a modern
tight engine may not be the best. That removed the
5W-20 from the list.<br>
<br>
The engine is using a hydraulic roller camshaft, with
full roller rockers (fulcrums and tips).<br>
The break-in oil I have is -supposedly- high in <span id="misspell-127" class="mark">ZDDP</span>.
The <span id="misspell-128" class="mark">Amsoil</span> product I'm looking at is also high in
<span id="misspell-129" class="mark">ZDDP</span>, no worries there.<br>
<br>
My choice based on non-forum feedback as well as the
advice here, is the 15W-50 product, here:<br>
<a rel="nofollow" class="yiv143199473moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/rd50.aspx">http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/rd50.aspx</a><br>
<br>
Thanks everyone, :)<br>
Asa Jay<br>
<br>
<br>
<pre class="yiv143199473moz-signature">Asa Jay Laughton, <span id="misspell-130" class="mark">MSgt</span>, <span id="misspell-131" class="mark">USAFR</span>, Retired
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On 8/20/2012 8:11 PM, John Bentley wrote:
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<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
<div><span>I use Valvoline Race 20W-50 for ORR or
track since I know the oil is gonna be hot. I
also add some ZDDP. After the race I use
10W-40 for around town. There is no "right"
answer to this though as there are many
opinions.<br>
</span></div>
<div><br>
<span></span></div>
<div><span>JB</span></div>
<div><span></span></div>
<div><br>
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<div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; ">
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b>
Asa Jay Laughton <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv143199473moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:asajay@asajay.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com">mailto:asajay@asajay.com</a>;
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Monday, August 20, 2012 7:36 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [TPR] Oil weight opinions<br>
</font> </div>
<br>
Consensus? <br>
AMSOIL sponsoring you?<br>
<br>
Fyi - Jack posted something comparing motor
oils in Newsletter in last few months.<br>
<br>
When JB got a FREE case of Royal Purple at
Silver State I just stole his oil otherwise
that liquid gold is too much money in my
humble opinion.<br>
<br>
I've read all the claims by amsoil, redline,
royal purple, etc and I know you and others
are loyal users but my feedback from some pro
drivers (JB & the Pope).was unless you get
sponsored FREE motor oil or are turning 7,000
R's for an hour any quality motor oil is fine.
<br>
<br>
After my initial break in I did use Mobil One
for awhile but went right back to Valvoline
VR1 race oil because I found a case in back of
the garage I forgot.<br>
<br>
I change it after avery orr or track event.
Yea I read there is some advantage to using
a oil with a high zddp content but why pay
the.extra$2-3 bucks a qt for that stiuff but
is it worth 6-9 bucks a quart?<br>
<br>
Only if you think so ;-)<br>
<br>
Asa Jay Laughton <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:asajay@asajay.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com">asajay@asajay.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
>All,<br>
><br>
>I'll be running a break-in oil in the
Pantera for the next few weeks as <br>
>I put as many miles on her as possible.<br>
><br>
>After that I'll switch to the permanent
oil. Here are the options I'm <br>
>looking at, from Asmoil in weights:<br>
> 5W-20<br>
> 10W-30<br>
> 15W-50<br>
><br>
>What would the expert consensus be? (I
already know what I'd like, but <br>
>I'm looking for alternate opinions which
could change my mind)<br>
>Asa Jay<br>
><br>
>Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired<br>
>& Shelley Marie<br>
>Spokane, WA<br>
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