<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Well, the tire size is dependent on the rim width - if they will fit then go for what you can afford. For a Pantera I would want fatter tires in the rear.</span></div><div> </div><div>____________<br>Steven Donegan<br>SSCC/NORC Life Member, Car #86<br>www.sscc.us<br></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "asajay@asajay.com" <asajay@asajay.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> tpr@teampanteraracing.com <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 18, 2012 11:20 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:
bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [TPR] Tires for Asa's Cat<br> </font> </div> <br>I sent an email to Eric yesterday and I'm waiting on a reply.<br><br>If he's partial to Michelin Pilots, then maybe I'll go with the<br>Michelin Pilot Super Sport:<br><a href="http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Pilot+Super+Sport&partnum=245YR7PSSXL&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes" target="_blank">http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Pilot+Super+Sport&partnum=245YR7PSSXL&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes</a><br><br>Next question, would it be a problem to run different size front/rear <br>if the rims are the same width?<br><br>I'm looking at 245/40/17 for the Front<br>and 245/45/17 for the Rear, just to get a little more height. Even <br>then it's nearly two inches shorter than stock.<br><br>Asa Jay<br><br>Quoting Steven Donegan <<a
ymailto="mailto:steve@donegan.org" href="mailto:steve@donegan.org">steve@donegan.org</a>>:<br><br>> Twere it me, and I actually owned a Pantera instead of a ricer, I <br>> would change rims to something modern so tire choices would be <br>> available. I think that is what Asa Jay is doing (smart move). For <br><br>> SSCC you just need to have tires with equal to or better than<br>stock <br>> in load and speed rating - if you can make the mustang rims work <br>> then go for Y rated and a load factor better than stock and you're <br><br>> good.<br>><br>> My 370Z has ~8000 miles on it, I may replace the tires before the <br>> next race for safety reasons, Michelin Pilot series is what Eric <br>> recommended and what I will buy. And hey - that means I can turn<br>off <br>> the traction control and burn the bridgestones :-) (the car
has<br>been <br>> slightly modified and has ~450 HP - not bad for an NA 6) :-)<br>><br>> <br>> ____________<br>> Steven Donegan<br>> SSCC/NORC Life Member, Car #86<br>> www.sscc.us<br>><br>><br>><br>> ________________________________<br>> From: John Bentley <<a ymailto="mailto:gndplne@yahoo.com" href="mailto:gndplne@yahoo.com">gndplne@yahoo.com</a>><br>> To: Teampantera <<a ymailto="mailto:teampantera@yahoo.com" href="mailto:teampantera@yahoo.com">teampantera@yahoo.com</a>>; Steven Donegan <br>> <<a ymailto="mailto:steve@donegan.org" href="mailto:steve@donegan.org">steve@donegan.org</a>>; Asa Jay Laughton <<a ymailto="mailto:asajay@asajay.com" href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com">asajay@asajay.com</a>>; " <br>> <a ymailto="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com" href="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com">tpr@teampanteraracing.com</a>" <<a
ymailto="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com" href="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com">tpr@teampanteraracing.com</a>><br>> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 10:14 AM<br>> Subject: Re: [TPR] Tires for Asa's Cat<br>><br>><br>> you got that right. I see sooo many Pantera owners that won't<br>think twice about cruising down a 2-lane country road with a latte in<br>one hand while talking on the phone and driving at 100 MPH, but they<br>think running an ORR at 95 is just too risky. Crazy mofo's. There is<br>no getting around the fact that ORR's are dangerous, but so is<br>spinning off the road into the weeds while screwing around. There<br>have been more than one "listers" in the last 10 years do just<br>that......makes me chuckle a bit. :). If you approach ORR's with a<br>healthy helping of caution, it is a lot of fun! You just have to get<br>out there and actually find out what your can and cannot do. Get
the<br>best safety stuff you can afford and go out and practice on a track.<br>><br>><br>> The Michelin Pilot MXX3's were the best ORR tire, but they are not<br>made any more. I have some Dunlops on my car now, but I don't think<br>there are any available ORR tires made in both 335/35/17's and<br>245/45/16's that fit my campy clones. I'll have to buy new wheels<br>when these wear out or get too old. Probably have to go with those<br>giant tractor tires like the DaWg next go round. Those are from John<br>Deere, right? Nothing runs like a Deere :)<br>><br>><br>> JB<br>><br>><br>><br>> ________________________________<br>> From: Teampantera <<a ymailto="mailto:teampantera@yahoo.com" href="mailto:teampantera@yahoo.com">teampantera@yahoo.com</a>><br>> To: Steven Donegan <<a ymailto="mailto:steve@donegan.org" href="mailto:steve@donegan.org">steve@donegan.org</a>>; Asa Jay
Laughton <br>> <<a ymailto="mailto:asajay@asajay.com" href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com">asajay@asajay.com</a>>; " <a ymailto="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com" href="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com">tpr@teampanteraracing.com</a>" <br>> <<a ymailto="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com" href="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com">tpr@teampanteraracing.com</a>><br>> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 9:49 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [TPR] Tires for Asa's Cat<br>><br>><br>> As JB says open road racing ain't for everyone.<br>> Yea high speed blow outs are butt ugly.<br>> Michelin are good and so are others but go with the best if you<br>are <br>> ever gonna push the limit. Consider even asking Eric as he has <br>> collected some data on what tires perform well and which ones have <br><br>> not....and the results might surprise ya.....He's more opinionated <br><br>> then Durango
Dave but don't be afraid to ask....<br>> I've been Lucky with ORR tires but I've replaced them often and<br>only run high speed Y (186 mph) rated high performance tires......no<br>race tires and no shaved tires...then I ain't going as fast as Irish<br>Donegan or Durango Dave either!<br>> Having said that Tire Tech do a good job of checking tires at<br>pre-grid where they inspect all tires of all entries and every year<br>they find at least one tire one car with a piece of debris/bolt/etc.<br>And thats before you even leave the starting line. But then you know<br>all that already.<br>> Once you START your on your own....you might be thinking, "hey did<br>I <br>> REMEMBER to add a couple extra pounds of air before I got down to <br>> pregrid at 6am"....<br>> And then did I remember again to check air pressure and bleed off<br>any excess air before I got strapped in the car....and then
remember<br>sometimes we have had snow and ice on the cars at SS in September<br>temps at 6 am leaving Ely can be 30 degrees warmer by the time you get<br>to Lund and Pre-grid.<br>> I don't ever forget the accidents I've seen in orr competition in <br>> Nevada, Nebraska, Texas and Mexico. So I always check my tires<br>3-4-5 <br>> times....you scared yet? GOOD! ;-)><br>> I am SCAREDeverytime...Headed home next week..remind me to check<br>my <br>> tires! Hell remind me to check those Boeng 777 tires.<br>> YEEEEEEHHHHHHAAAAA<br>> PS Watch those speeds over the mogels<br>> Steven Donegan <<a ymailto="mailto:steve@donegan.org" href="mailto:steve@donegan.org">steve@donegan.org</a>> wrote:<br>>> For autocross if a tire fails likely you'll just eat a cone or<br>hay <br>>> bail. At SSCC if one blows you could lose your life...so run<br>cheap <br>>> (I use the term loosely) ones
for AC and get some real serious<br>ones <br>>> for SSCC - run flats if you can... My next set will likely be <br>>> Michelin pilot series...<br>>><br>>> <br>>> ____________<br>>> Steven Donegan<br>>> SSCC/NORC Life Member, Car #86<br>>> www.sscc.us<br>>><br>>><br>>><br>>> ________________________________<br>>> From: Asa Jay Laughton <<a ymailto="mailto:asajay@asajay.com" href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com">asajay@asajay.com</a>><br>>> To: <a ymailto="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com" href="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com">tpr@teampanteraracing.com</a><br>>> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 9:13 AM<br>>> Subject: Re: [TPR] Tires for Asa's Cat<br>>><br>>> That actually sounds like decent advice doc. :)<br>>> Spend a little now, find out how well the car drives and then get<br>real<br>>> spendy
tires.<br>>><br>>> I see what others have to say as well.<br>>> Thanks,<br>>> Asa Jay<br>>><br>>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired<br>>> & Shelley Marie<br>>> Spokane, WA<br>>> ******************************<br>>> <a href="http://www.racingagainstautism.com/" target="_blank">http://www.racingagainstautism.com</a><br>>> <a href="http://www.teampanteraracing.com/" target="_blank">http://www.teampanteraracing.com</a><br>>> <a href="http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism" target="_blank">http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism</a><br>>><br>>><br>>> On 6/17/2012 5:30 AM, Charles Engles wrote:<br>>>> Dear Asa,<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> That might have been me. I put some Sumitomos<br>HTZ on the<br>>>> more genteel Pantera about eight
years (?) ago. They were<br>inexpensive and<br>>>> I think that they're a good value. The tires you're looking at<br>are HTZ II.<br>>>> I certainly can't tell you about the latest iteration nor about<br>how well<br>>>> they would tolerate and perform under autocross conditions. <br>IMHO, "they<br>>>> are good tires, but certainly not great tires". Another way to<br>think<br>>>> about them: if they're in your budget and you've upgraded the<br>suspension,<br>>>> then buy'em and flog'em. With the new set up, you'll still be<br>ahead of the<br>>>> stock set up and once you've taken the measure of the new set up<br>and worn<br>>>> out the Sumis, then you can plan for something else.....<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>>
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles<br>>>><br>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>>>> From: <a ymailto="mailto:tpr-bounces@teampanteraracing.com" href="mailto:tpr-bounces@teampanteraracing.com">tpr-bounces@teampanteraracing.com</a><br>>>> [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:tpr-bounces@teampanteraracing.com" href="mailto:tpr-bounces@teampanteraracing.com">tpr-bounces@teampanteraracing.com</a>] On Behalf Of Asa Jay<br>Laughton<br>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:48 PM<br>>>> To: <a ymailto="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com" href="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com">tpr@teampanteraracing.com</a><br>>>> Subject: [TPR] Tires for Asa's Cat<br>>>><br>>>> I'm now looking for good tires to put on the Pantera. I'm<br>looking for<br>>>> something both street and race. I could go with another set of<br>Toyo Proxes<br>>>> 888, but I don't really think I need to do
that. Especially when<br>they are<br>>>> over $200 each and I'm 'trying to save some money here.<br>>>><br>>>> In fact, I'd like to keep it all under $150 each if I could. I<br>know the<br>>>> better tires are probably going to be near $200, and if I need<br>to, I'll go<br>>>> there. Before I do though, I'd like to get some tire opinions.<br>>>><br>>>> Specifically I'm looking at a name I've not seen before,<br>Sumitomo:<br>>>><br><a href="http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Sumitomo&tireModel=HTR+Z+II" target="_blank">http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Sumitomo&tireModel=HTR+Z+II</a><br>>>> &partnum=44WR7HTRZ2V2&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes<br>>>><br>>>> I thought I'd heard someone else say something about them so they<br>caught my<br>>>> eye.<br>>>><br>>>>
I used to be a big fan of Pirelli, then I was a loyal Goodyear<br>customer for<br>>>> years.<br>>>> The Pirelli's are a bit steep.<br>>>> If I go with Goodyear, it would most likely be the Eagle F1<br>Asymmetric or<br>>>> the Eagle GT.<br>>>><br>>>> Well, if nothing else.... 17" wheels have given me a whole lot<br>more choices<br>>>> for rubber.<br>>>> Asa Jay<br>>>><br>>>> --<br>>>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired<br>>>> & Shelley Marie<br>>>> Spokane, WA<br>>>> ******************************<br>>>> <a href="http://www.racingagainstautism.com/" target="_blank">http://www.racingagainstautism.com</a><br>>>> <a href="http://www.teampanteraracing.com/" target="_blank">http://www.teampanteraracing.com</a><br>>>> <a href="http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism"
target="_blank">http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism</a><br>>>><br>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>> TPR mailing list<br>>>> <a ymailto="mailto:TPR@teampanteraracing.com" href="mailto:TPR@teampanteraracing.com">TPR@teampanteraracing.com</a><br>>>> <a href="http://lists.teampanteraracing.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tpr" target="_blank">http://lists.teampanteraracing.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tpr</a><br>>>><br>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>> TPR mailing list<br>>>> <a ymailto="mailto:TPR@teampanteraracing.com" href="mailto:TPR@teampanteraracing.com">TPR@teampanteraracing.com</a><br>>>> <a href="http://lists.teampanteraracing.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tpr" target="_blank">http://lists.teampanteraracing.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tpr</a><br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> -----<br>>>>
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target="_blank">http://lists.teampanteraracing.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tpr</a><br>><br>> For autocross if a tire fails likely you'll just eat a cone or hay <br><br>> bail. At SSCC if one blows you could lose your life...so run cheap <br><br>> (I use the term loosely) ones for AC and get some real serious<br>ones <br>> for SSCC - run flats if you can... My next set will likely be <br>> Michelin pilot series...<br>> <br>> ____________<br>> Steven Donegan<br>> SSCC/NORC Life Member, Car #86<br>> www.sscc.us<br>><br>><br>><br>> ________________________________<br>> From: Asa Jay Laughton <<a ymailto="mailto:asajay@asajay.com" href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com">asajay@asajay.com</a>><br>> To: <a ymailto="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com" href="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com">tpr@teampanteraracing.com</a><br>> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 9:13 AM<br>>
Subject: Re: [TPR] Tires for Asa's Cat<br>><br>> That actually sounds like decent advice doc. :)<br>> Spend a little now, find out how well the car drives and then get<br>real<br>> spendy tires.<br>><br>> I see what others have to say as well.<br>> Thanks,<br>> Asa Jay<br>><br>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired<br>> & Shelley Marie<br>> Spokane, WA<br>> ******************************<br>> <a href="http://www.racingagainstautism.com/" target="_blank">http://www.racingagainstautism.com</a><br>> <a href="http://www.teampanteraracing.com/" target="_blank">http://www.teampanteraracing.com</a><br>> <a href="http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism" target="_blank">http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism</a><br>><br>><br>> On 6/17/2012 5:30 AM, Charles Engles wrote:<br>>> Dear Asa,<br>>><br>>><br>>>
That might have been me. I put some Sumitomos<br>HTZ on the<br>>> more genteel Pantera about eight years (?) ago. They were<br>inexpensive and<br>>> I think that they're a good value. The tires you're looking at<br>are HTZ II.<br>>> I certainly can't tell you about the latest iteration nor about<br>how well<br>>> they would tolerate and<br>> perform under autocross conditions. IMHO, "they<br>>> are good tires, but certainly not great tires". Another way to<br>think<br>>> about them: if they're in your budget and you've upgraded the<br>suspension,<br>>> then buy'em and flog'em. With the new set up, you'll still be<br>ahead of the<br>>> stock set up and once you've taken the measure of the new set up<br>and worn<br>>> out the Sumis, then you can plan for something else.....<br>>><br>>><br>>>
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles<br>>><br>>> -----Original Message-----<br>>> From: <a ymailto="mailto:tpr-bounces@teampanteraracing.com" href="mailto:tpr-bounces@teampanteraracing.com">tpr-bounces@teampanteraracing.com</a><br>>> [mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:tpr-bounces@teampanteraracing.com" href="mailto:tpr-bounces@teampanteraracing.com">tpr-bounces@teampanteraracing.com</a>] On Behalf Of Asa Jay<br>Laughton<br>>> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 11:48 PM<br>>> To: <a ymailto="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com" href="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com">tpr@teampanteraracing.com</a><br>>> Subject: [TPR] Tires for Asa's Cat<br>>><br>>> I'm now looking for good tires to put on the Pantera. I'm looking<br>for<br>>> something both street and race. I could go with another set of<br>Toyo
Proxes<br>>> 888, but I don't really think I need to do that. Especially when<br>they are<br>>> over $200 each and I'm 'trying to save some money here.<br>>><br>>> In fact, I'd like to keep it all under $150 each if I could. I<br>know the<br>>> better tires are probably going to be near $200, and if I need to,<br>I'll go<br>>> there. Before I do though, I'd like to get some tire<br>> opinions.<br>>><br>>> Specifically I'm looking at a<br>> name I've not seen before, Sumitomo:<br>>><br><a href="http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Sumitomo&tireModel=HTR+Z+II" target="_blank">http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Sumitomo&tireModel=HTR+Z+II</a><br>>> &partnum=44WR7HTRZ2V2&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes<br>>><br>>> I thought I'd heard someone else say something about them so they<br>caught
my<br>>> eye.<br>>><br>>> I used to be a big fan of Pirelli, then I was a loyal Goodyear<br>customer for<br>>> years.<br>>> The Pirelli's are a bit steep.<br>>> If I go with Goodyear, it would most likely be the Eagle F1<br>Asymmetric or<br>>> the Eagle GT.<br>>><br>>> Well, if nothing else.... 17" wheels have given me a whole lot<br>more choices<br>>> for rubber.<br>>> Asa Jay<br>>><br>>> --<br>>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired<br>>> & Shelley Marie<br>>> Spokane, WA<br>>> ******************************<br>>> <a href="http://www.racingagainstautism.com/" target="_blank">http://www.racingagainstautism.com</a><br>>> <a href="http://www.teampanteraracing.com/" target="_blank">http://www.teampanteraracing.com</a><br>>> <a href="http://facebook.com/racingagainstautism"
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