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Yes, but Mike -drove- it. Dan has paid his appropriate karma dues
to prevent the Drewsaster affect from ever happening to him.
However it's apparently back-fired on Mike. :)<br>
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Asa Jay<br>
<paid my Drewsaster dues on Mike's car about 10 years ago.><br>
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On 3/29/2012 4:11 PM, Mad Dog Antenucci wrote:
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<div><span>Didn't Dan built Mike Drew's engine?</span></div>
<div><span>Okay just kidding</span></div>
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<hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b>
David in Durango <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:adin@frontier.net"><adin@frontier.net></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Kirby
Schrader <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kirby.schrader@gmail.com"><kirby.schrader@gmail.com></a>; Asa Jay
Laughton <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com"><asajay@asajay.com></a> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Thursday, March 29, 2012 3:14 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [TPR] Hydraulic Roller cam thoughts<br>
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<div><font face="Georgia">Aaaaaaaarrrrrrggghhhhhhhhhhha.
Don't want to hear all these stories about special
bushings and such.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Georgia">Maybe I'll stick with solid
rollers - the hydraulics are about $400 more. then
I'll need different pushrods? It never ends.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="Georgia">BTW, Dan told me the 180s
don't give any more power. I AM aware of the
pornographic powers they have . . . . .</font></div>
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title="kirby.schrader@gmail.com"
ymailto="mailto:kirby.schrader@gmail.com"
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<div style="font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal;
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Thursday, March 29, 2012 2:39 PM</div>
<div style="font-size: 10pt; font-style: normal;
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Re: [TPR] Hydraulic Roller cam thoughts</div>
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I just went through this, but Dan is certainly more of
an expert than I.
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</div>
<div>When I got my Pantera back in 2009, the all iron
377 Cleveland had a hydraulic roller in it. Decent
470 HP and 448 TQ.</div>
<div>Trouble is, I was so used to the old flat tappet
solid lifter cam that my brain kept trying to wind
it to 7000rpm and then hitting the rev limiter. I
wanted it to keep pulling.</div>
<div>6200 was about all it was good for with the
hydraulic rollers....</div>
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</div>
<div> I had to pull the engine for repair last year
(long story, don't ask, please) and decided I liked
the rpm too much, so I went with some Comp Cams
solid rollers. They left less than .050" covering
the oil galley holes, so I had to get the lifter
bores bushed. This is expensive, but good because it
allows you to put smaller oiling holes in the
bushings. That way, if you do lose a lifter, you
don't lose the engine.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I have rebuilt the previous engine (my son is
going to use it in his Pantera) and did a completely
new engine for my car.</div>
<div>After lots of drama and hassle it is running now,
but I'm still fine tuning the EFI. It's nice and
strong though. We'll see how it goes.... Desktop
Dyno says it should do 560HP and that's not bad for
an all iron Clevleand, I think.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I am running into the exhaust restriction now
with the stock GTS mufflers and the better cam and
stuff, so a set of 180's is on order.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It never ends....</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Bottom line: You can get lifters which WILL work
in the stock Cleveland block bores, but you need to
check closely.</div>
<div>And... you may need to bush them.</div>
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<div>FWIW,</div>
<div>Kirby</div>
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<div class="yiv1679710429gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar
29, 2012 at 14:41, Asa Jay Laughton <span
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class="yiv1679710429gmail_quote">The next build
I do will most likely use a mechanical roller,
though a<br>
hydraulic isn't out of the question.<br>
<br>
The last build I did used an off-the-shelf Crane
hydraulic roller for<br>
a 351C. I think it was one of the first. I
love it actually, being<br>
the first one I've ever tried. It's not very
radical though and I'd<br>
go for more rumpety the next time.<br>
<br>
Dan Jones has some great information regarding
hydraulic rollers for<br>
Clevelands. Best to give him a shout. I might
be able to dig up his<br>
emails on it (I tend to keep nearly everything
he writes) but it could<br>
be like a doomed Antarctic expedition. Pay
special attention to the<br>
lifters. Some Hydraulic roller lifters for the
Cleveland are NOT<br>
good. Oil hole is too high and will clear the
top of the lifter bore.<br>
I don't think I'd even talk to a vendor until
-after- I talked with<br>
Dan.<br>
<br>
Either way... mechanical or hydraulic, I think
you'll love the roller.<br>
Asa Jay<br>
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