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<DIV><FONT face=Georgia>Aaaaaaaarrrrrrggghhhhhhhhhhha. Don't want to hear
all these stories about special bushings and such.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Georgia></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Georgia>Maybe I'll stick with solid rollers - the hydraulics are
about $400 more. then I'll need different pushrods? It never
ends.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Georgia>BTW, Dan told me the 180s don't give any more
power. I AM aware of the pornographic powers they have . . . .
.</FONT></DIV>
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style="FONT: 10pt arial; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=kirby.schrader@gmail.com href="mailto:kirby.schrader@gmail.com">Kirby
Schrader</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=asajay@asajay.com
href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com">Asa Jay Laughton</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=tpr@teampanteraracing.com
href="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com">tpr@teampanteraracing.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 29, 2012 2:39
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [TPR] Hydraulic Roller cam
thoughts</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I just went through this, but Dan is certainly more of an
expert than I.
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<DIV>When I got my Pantera back in 2009, the all iron 377 Cleveland had a
hydraulic roller in it. Decent 470 HP and 448 TQ.</DIV>
<DIV>Trouble is, I was so used to the old flat tappet solid lifter cam that my
brain kept trying to wind it to 7000rpm and then hitting the rev limiter. I
wanted it to keep pulling.</DIV>
<DIV>6200 was about all it was good for with the hydraulic rollers....</DIV>
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<DIV> I had to pull the engine for repair last year (long story, don't
ask, please) and decided I liked the rpm too much, so I went with some Comp
Cams solid rollers. They left less than .050" covering the oil galley holes,
so I had to get the lifter bores bushed. This is expensive, but good because
it allows you to put smaller oiling holes in the bushings. That way, if you do
lose a lifter, you don't lose the engine.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I have rebuilt the previous engine (my son is going to use it in his
Pantera) and did a completely new engine for my car.</DIV>
<DIV>After lots of drama and hassle it is running now, but I'm still fine
tuning the EFI. It's nice and strong though. We'll see how it goes.... Desktop
Dyno says it should do 560HP and that's not bad for an all iron Clevleand, I
think.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I am running into the exhaust restriction now with the stock GTS mufflers
and the better cam and stuff, so a set of 180's is on order.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>It never ends....</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Bottom line: You can get lifters which WILL work in the stock Cleveland
block bores, but you need to check closely.</DIV>
<DIV>And... you may need to bush them.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>FWIW,</DIV>
<DIV>Kirby</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 14:41, Asa Jay Laughton <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A
href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com">asajay@asajay.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>The next build I do will most likely use a mechanical
roller, though a<BR>hydraulic isn't out of the question.<BR><BR>The last
build I did used an off-the-shelf Crane hydraulic roller for<BR>a 351C.
I think it was one of the first. I love it actually,
being<BR>the first one I've ever tried. It's not very radical though
and I'd<BR>go for more rumpety the next time.<BR><BR>Dan Jones has some
great information regarding hydraulic rollers for<BR>Clevelands. Best
to give him a shout. I might be able to dig up his<BR>emails on it (I
tend to keep nearly everything he writes) but it could<BR>be like a doomed
Antarctic expedition. Pay special attention to the<BR>lifters.
Some Hydraulic roller lifters for the Cleveland are NOT<BR>good.
Oil hole is too high and will clear the top of the lifter
bore.<BR> I don't think I'd even talk to a vendor until -after- I
talked with<BR>Dan.<BR><BR>Either way... mechanical or hydraulic, I think
you'll love the roller.<BR>Asa
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