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<DIV>Sorry I went nuts there . . . .my little town no longer has a machinist
anyone trusts (our Ford guy drove his snowmobile off a ridge and broke his neck
a few years back) and one must plan ahead for the big involved projecst like a
plug change ("well, I've got 5, will that help?") or pulling the valve
covers.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I DO appreciate the input from everyone.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>David</DIV>
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<A title=kirby.schrader@gmail.com href="mailto:kirby.schrader@gmail.com">Kirby
Schrader</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=adin@frontier.net
href="mailto:adin@frontier.net">David in Durango</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=asajay@asajay.com
href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com">Asa Jay Laughton</A> ; <A
title=tpr@teampanteraracing.com
href="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com">tpr@teampanteraracing.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 29, 2012 4:38
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [TPR] Hydraulic Roller cam
thoughts</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>The special bushings were because we chose the CompCams lifters. You can
get both hydraulic and solid roller lifters that will fit.</DIV>
<DIV>Dan will know intimate details on this.</DIV>
<DIV>I went ahead and did the bushings because it helps solve one of the
oiling issues with the Cleveland.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Didn't intend to meant the 180's would give more power overall.
<DIV>But they will give more power over the GTS mufflers which Dan has proven
are restrictive.</DIV>
<DIV>And, as for the pornography bit.... well, hell.... yeah!!!!!</DIV>
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<DIV>On Mar 29, 2012, at 5:14 PM, David in Durango wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><FONT face=Georgia>Aaaaaaaarrrrrrggghhhhhhhhhhha. Don't want to
hear all these stories about special bushings and such.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Georgia></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Georgia>Maybe I'll stick with solid rollers - the hydraulics
are about $400 more. then I'll need different pushrods? It never
ends.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Georgia></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Georgia>BTW, Dan told me the 180s don't give any more
power. I AM aware of the pornographic powers they have . . . .
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href="mailto:kirby.schrader@gmail.com">Kirby Schrader</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><A title=asajay@asajay.com
href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com">Asa Jay Laughton</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B><SPAN
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title=tpr@teampanteraracing.com
href="mailto:tpr@teampanteraracing.com">tpr@teampanteraracing.com</A></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Thursday, March 29, 2012 2:39
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B><SPAN
class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN>Re: [TPR] Hydraulic Roller cam
thoughts</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I just went through this, but Dan is certainly more of an
expert than I.
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>When I got my Pantera back in 2009, the all iron 377 Cleveland had a
hydraulic roller in it. Decent 470 HP and 448 TQ.</DIV>
<DIV>Trouble is, I was so used to the old flat tappet solid lifter cam
that my brain kept trying to wind it to 7000rpm and then hitting the rev
limiter. I wanted it to keep pulling.</DIV>
<DIV>6200 was about all it was good for with the hydraulic
rollers....</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV> I had to pull the engine for repair last year (long story,
don't ask, please) and decided I liked the rpm too much, so I went with
some Comp Cams solid rollers. They left less than .050" covering the oil
galley holes, so I had to get the lifter bores bushed. This is expensive,
but good because it allows you to put smaller oiling holes in the
bushings. That way, if you do lose a lifter, you don't lose the
engine.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I have rebuilt the previous engine (my son is going to use it in his
Pantera) and did a completely new engine for my car.</DIV>
<DIV>After lots of drama and hassle it is running now, but I'm still fine
tuning the EFI. It's nice and strong though. We'll see how it goes....
Desktop Dyno says it should do 560HP and that's not bad for an all iron
Clevleand, I think.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I am running into the exhaust restriction now with the stock GTS
mufflers and the better cam and stuff, so a set of 180's is on
order.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>It never ends....</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Bottom line: You can get lifters which WILL work in the stock
Cleveland block bores, but you need to check closely.</DIV>
<DIV>And... you may need to bush them.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>FWIW,</DIV>
<DIV>Kirby</DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 14:41, Asa Jay
Laughton<SPAN class=Apple-converted-space> </SPAN><SPAN
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class=gmail_quote>The next build I do will most likely use a mechanical
roller, though a<BR>hydraulic isn't out of the question.<BR><BR>The last
build I did used an off-the-shelf Crane hydraulic roller for<BR>a 351C.
I think it was one of the first. I love it actually,
being<BR>the first one I've ever tried. It's not very radical
though and I'd<BR>go for more rumpety the next time.<BR><BR>Dan Jones
has some great information regarding hydraulic rollers
for<BR>Clevelands. Best to give him a shout. I might be able
to dig up his<BR>emails on it (I tend to keep nearly everything he
writes) but it could<BR>be like a doomed Antarctic expedition. Pay
special attention to the<BR>lifters. Some Hydraulic roller lifters
for the Cleveland are NOT<BR>good. Oil hole is too high and will
clear the top of the lifter bore.<BR> I don't think I'd even talk
to a vendor until -after- I talked with<BR>Dan.<BR><BR>Either way...
mechanical or hydraulic, I think you'll love the roller.<BR>Asa
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