<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">I vote with Asa Jay, had that happen on a 351C in a Mustang years ago - PCV was whacked out and oil was sucked out and burned - simply replacing it OR for a competition car going to the tall breather with filter thing works<br><br>____________<br>Steven Donegan<br>SSCC/NORC Car #86<br>www.sscc.us<br><br><br>--- On <b>Sun, 7/24/11, Asa Jay Laughton <i><asajay@asajay.com></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com><br>Subject: Re: [TPR] Plugs / Intake / Good News / PVC Test<br>To: tpr@teampanteraracing.com<br>Date: Sunday, July 24, 2011, 10:32 PM<br><br><div id="yiv334624959">
Well, I've been thinking your intake was sucking oil from the PCV
all along. However, the photos of the intake gaskets did seem to
make it look like you -might- be sucking oil on number 1 port and
that could possible bleed it to all the other ports on that plane.<br>
<br>
Just for sake of being on one side of the fence. I'm going to stick
with the PCV. If I'm wrong, I'll have Mad Dog owe you a beer. :)<br>
<br>
Asa Jay<br>
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On 7/24/2011 1:23 PM, B Hower wrote:
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<div><font size="3">Dear Dr,</font></div>
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<div><font size="3">Today I replaced the bad
upper radiator hose and have plastic pipe
over it to make sure alt fan does not get
this one. I ran the engine for about 30 min.
and then installed the old PVC valve into
the system for the smoke/oil usage test run.
I have the results of that test. But before
I <span>divulge</span> the results, I would
like<strong> comments as to what you
all think I found</strong>. I will post
the results buy tomorrow noon.</font></div>
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<div><font size="3">Sincerely,</font></div>
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<div><font size="3">Bud</font></div>
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--- On <b>Sat, 7/23/11, B <span>Hower</span>
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From: B Hower <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv334624959moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:b.hower3400@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=b.hower3400@yahoo.com"><b.hower3400@yahoo.com></a><br>
Subject: Fw: Re: Plugs / Intake / Good News<br>
To: "Dr. Charles Engles"
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Date: Saturday, July 23, 2011, 11:53 PM<br>
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--- On <b>Sat, 7/23/11, eldon hower
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From: eldon hower
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Subject: Re: Plugs / Intake / Good
News<br>
To: "Asa Jay Laughton"
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Cc: "Frank Cirrincione"
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Radefeld"
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Date: Saturday, July 23, 2011,
11:48 PM<br>
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<div><font size="3">I
just ran the engine
for 1.25 hrs with no
smoke and no drop on
dipstick !! !! !!
WOW !! I don't have
answer to why yet as
I made 3 changes at
once. I went back to
old intake --- put
sealer on both sides
of gaskets -- and
didn't use the PVC
valve. I wore a hole
in upper <span>radiator</span>
hose on the alt so I
will have to go get
another from the
farm tomorrow and
put a piece of
another hose over it
to protect from
ware.</font></div>
<div><font size="3"> </font></div>
<div><strong><font color="#8000ff" size="5">Look
out Arnold, here I
come ! ! ! ! !
! ! ! !</font></strong></div>
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<div><font size="3">Bud
#3400 </font></div>
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<div>--- On <b>Sat,
7/23/11, <span>eldon</span>
hower <i><a rel="nofollow" class="yiv334624959moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:e_hower@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=e_hower@yahoo.com"><e_hower@yahoo.com></a></i></b>
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From: eldon hower
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Subject: Re: Plugs /
Intake<br>
To: "Asa Jay Laughton"
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Cc: "Frank
Cirrincione"
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"Bob Radefeld"
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"Mad Dog Antenucci"
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Date: Saturday, July
23, 2011, 11:49 AM<br>
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<div>4972 = #1
intake port
shows no
indention from
intake
manifold, plus
oil present</div>
<div> <br>
4973 to 4982 =
ports 1
through 8 in
sequence</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Photos
don't show the
oil very well
-- if
some weren't
leaking, there
was <span>so</span>
much oil in
the intake
that it ran
down over
gaskets as I
removed it
---- the lower
plenum had a
lot of oil in
it, as it
would have to
run up hill to
get into the
heads </div>
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<div>Ok, what
would the PVC
valve done to
me if bad ???
----- it
rattles ---
and the hose
is ported into
the carb on
one side but
is channeled
to above both
plenums</div>
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<div>Bud </div>
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<div>-- On <b>Sat,
7/23/11, <span><span><span><span>eldon</span></span></span></span>
hower <i><a rel="nofollow" class="yiv334624959moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto="mailto:e_hower@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=e_hower@yahoo.com"><e_hower@yahoo.com></a></i></b>
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From: eldon
hower
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Subject: Re:
Plugs / Intake<br>
To: "Asa Jay
Laughton"
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Cc: "Frank
Cirrincione"
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"Bob Radefeld"
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"Mad Dog
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Date:
Saturday, July
23, 2011, 5:51
AM<br>
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<div>4625 =
shows, to
center gasket
it should
align with top
edge of head</div>
<div> </div>
<div>4628 =
shows ~ .030
gap above .220
thick cork ( I
used RTV
Copper here )</div>
<div> </div>
<div>4633 =
shows gaskets
in place</div>
<div> </div>
<div>4945 =
Photo shows
PVC on right
bank and open
hose fitting
on the left
bank. Gaskets
are the Dan
Jones
recommended
Victor Rienz
#95078SG. It
is not a
turkey tray
style.</div>
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<div>I'm
thinking
intake gasket
leaks with the
leak at lower
plenum being
worse than the
one to the
upper plenum.
? The gasket
new is about
.065 thick,
which I
thought would
seal well.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Bud<br>
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--- On <b>Fri,
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From: Asa Jay
Laughton
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Subject: Re:
Plugs / Intake<br>
To: "<span><span>eldon</span></span>
hower"
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"Bob Radefeld"
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Date: Friday,
July 22, 2011,
9:10 PM<br>
<br>
<div id="yiv334624959">Bud,<br>
<br>
Did you have a
crankcase vent
hooked up?
Could it have
been pulling
too much oil
vapor, or
maybe too much
oil in the
heads?<br>
<br>
What do you
think the
problem is?<br>
<br>
I once had
someone tell
me they like
to torque the
intake to the
heads before
torquing the
heads to the
block...
though I've
never done it
that way. The
gasket should
have enough to
take up the
minute amount
of the slack.<br>
<br>
Do you have
any
indications of
oil seeping
past the
intake
gasket? I
guess that's
the real
question. If
not, then I'd
be looking for
cracks in the
manifold
sucking oil
from the
valley. But
before I
assume that,
I'd need to
know what kind
of intake
gasket did you
use. Did you
use a turkey
tray? Or just
straight
gaskets to the
heads?<br>
<br>
I need more
pictures...
I'm dying of
curiosity
here. :)<br>
<br>
Asa Jay<br>
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On 7/22/2011
11:39 AM,
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<div>Well,
here tells the
story --------
not the hole
story yet
-------- I
will pull
intake and try
to figure out
how to check
relationship
of intake to
heads ------
then how to
fix it.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Photos
show 6,7,1,4
more fouled
than the rest
----- these
are connected
via the low
side of the
dual plane
intake.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>4970 =
shows a lot of
oil in lower
plenum --- <span>cyl</span>
6,7,1,4</div>
<div> </div>
<div>4971 =
shows some oil
in the upper
plenum --- cyl
2,3,5,8</div>
<div> </div>
<div>oil loss
running engine
on test cart
at below 2500
for one hour =
3/8 " on
dipstick</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Relieved
that it's not
a ring or
valve
seal/guide
problem -- But
now how to
get
measurements
to give a
machine shop
for correction
of intake? </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Bud #3400</div>
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