<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div></div><div>AutoX is work man.....don't you have a job? ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>Seriously agree with your suggestion.....anything that helps you as a driver experience at what points you are bringing the ass end of the Pantera or any car around and driving with your rear view mirror is a good thing. A man has got to know his limits ;-)></div><div><br></div><div>No doubt Michael's driving skills in Circle Track competition is worth listening to carefully.....but on handling my Pantera the best and cheapest 'seat of the pants' improvement to handling was adding Drenske's offset delrin bushings and getting 3-4 degrees of added caster (5 total) to front end and going back to a narrow 285 wide tire (aka; less surprises on hard turns)..........a close second improvement would be loosening up
the front end with a smaller (stock) sway bar and lighter springs and slowing down over dips on H-318 (aka bending rear quarter panels and blowing out shocks) ;-)<br> </div><div><strong><font color="#0000ff"><em>Mad Dawg Antenucci <br></em></font><font color="#ff0000">Team Pantera Racing</font></strong> </div> <div><em><strong><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#007f7f">The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing </font><br></strong></em><font color="#0000ff"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.teampanteraracing.com">www.teampanteraracing.com</a></font></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> David in Durango <adin@frontier.net><br><b><span style="font-weight:
bold;">To:</span></b> Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com>; tpr@teampanteraracing.com<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sun, May 29, 2011 7:50:48 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [TPR] Oh! that hurts.<br></font><br>
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<div>All,</div>
<div>I seem to remember the collective thoughts for order of upgrades was:
tires, shocks/springs/alignment?</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I've always liked big sway bars - necessary for autox and don't hurt in
other venues.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Your level of enjoyment should go up as the car gets closer to the
magic "dialed in" setup.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>IMO, autox is the hardest to master . . .maybe you are smarter than
*ahemcough* others.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>One tip: try to keep it on the black part.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>RSD (rubber side down)</div>
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<div style="FONT:10pt arial;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TPR] Oh! that hurts.</div>
<div><br></div>Agreed.<br>I have a line on some new shocks, I just need to
wait a little longer for the budget money. Unfortunately I'm not living
a "stimulus plan" kind of life. :) Once I have those, I have a
local shop who offered to help set up the corner weighting and new
alignment. Feedback on here has also indicated a 1" sway bar both front
and rear might benefit me, but those will be farther into the future.
What I have now works pretty well, even if not optimum.<br><br>Asa Jay<br><br><pre class="moz-signature">Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
& Shelley Marie
Spokane, WA
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5/29/2011 3:28 AM, <a rel="nofollow" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com">michael@michaelshortt.com</a> wrote:
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<p>what I meant was, is that any little thing cause lead to problems
that get much bigger when you add in all the physics of speed,
Momentum, weight transfer, etc</p>
<p>Just having cold tires didn't put you in the ditch all by themselves.</p>
<p>I always get a kick out of watching some well meaning racer try to fix a
problem by adjusting ten things at once. to solve an issue. How do you
know which thing was the problem if you do it that way? change
adjustments one at a time and if what you just did doesn't fix it, put it
back where it was and change something else.</p>
<p>not remembering if You braked or not is good I think, you were in the
moment and I'm sure you did, otherwise the damage would have been
worse. sounds like you were trying to save it the whole way, unlike
some novice who might have braked hard, been rear ended, stirred up a
lot of debris and used stiffened arms to brace themselves for a nice big
thud.</p>
<p>nothing wrong with trying to drive it of trouble until the bitter
end.</p>
<p>I personally like a car that is "loose" with maybe 52% rear weight bias,
that way you can usually induce a slide with a little extra throttle if you
meed too. nothing gives me the willies more than being a passenger
when a car is tight or pushes so hard that driver input is
meaningless, it like just being along for the ride, except your * gets
real tight and eventually your wallet gets real loose. </p>
<p>it didn't get real cold often in NC where i grew up, but when we did have
ice storms, i used to find big empty parking lots to play on to try and
learn car control, that was fun. </p>
<p>aside from letting the tires warm up, I'd look into some adjustable
shocks and get your weights set up, it will feel like another car.</p>
<p>thanks for sharing.</p>
<p>michael<br><br><br></p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On May 29, 2011 12:26 AM, "Asa Jay Laughton" <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:asajay@asajay.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com">asajay@asajay.com</a>> wrote:<br>> On 5/28/2011 6:33 PM, <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com">michael@michaelshortt.com</a>
wrote:<br>>><br>>> glad that you and the car faired so well.
sounds like min damage <br>>> that could have been much
worse.<br>>><br>>> can we surmise the cause?<br>>><br>>
Yes, it was a loose nut between the steering wheel and the
seat.<br>>><br>>> you drove in nose first, was that by
choice?<br>>><br>> No, however if I had been thinking faster, maybe
10 times faster, I <br>> could have cranked the front to the opposite
lock and perhaps swung the <br>> ass end enough to stay on the
track.<br>>><br>>> understeer or "push"
involved?<br>>><br>> probably some trailing throttle oversteer,
brought the ass end around on <br>> me and I couldn't correct myself back
into line.<br>>><br>>> did your brakes do all that they
could?<br>>><br>> Funny I can't even remember using the brakes
until I knew I was going <br>> off the track.<br>>><br>>>
sand on the track?<br>>><br>> Nope.<br>>><br>>> cold
tires?<br>>><br>> Most definately.<br>>><br>>> wrong
pressures?<br>>><br>> No<br>>><br>>> what size sway
bars front and rear?<br>>><br>> Front = stock (3/4" I
think)<br>> Rear = 7/8"<br>>><br>>> ride height front and
rear?<br>>><br>> That's anybody's guess with my wacked
shocks.<br>>><br>>> have you done your corner weights ( with the
car wet and your weight <br>>> in the drivers
seat?<br>>><br>> Nope<br>>><br>>> what ties at what if
any tread depth?<br>>><br>> Toyo Proxes R888, one season already on
them, I'm between a 1/16" and <br>> 1/8" from the wear
bars.<br>>><br>>> every boo-boo is an opportunity to learn, some
lessons ( like broken <br>>> rockers sometimes) just cost more than
others.<br>>><br>> This one had to do with getting excited early in
the morning on a cold <br>> track. I was -not- the first to spin on the
track today. They were <br>> even warning all the drivers to take the
first run slow. I thought I <br>> was until I got to that one
cone.<br>>><br>>> I was reading about Senna again today, gone
too soon, killed by <br>>> suspension parts directly, but all caused
by a broken steering <br>>> column. Every little part counts, they're
all ultimately connected to <br>>> each other.<br>>><br>>
<br>> Now you lost me.<br>> Asa Jay<br>>><br>>> Michael
Shortt<br>>><br>>> On May 28, 2011 8:48 PM, "Asa Jay Laughton"
<<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:asajay@asajay.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com">asajay@asajay.com</a> <br>>> <mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:asajay@asajay.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com">asajay@asajay.com</a>>> wrote:<br>>> >
Autocross today at Spokane County Raceway, not the usual course at
Deer<br>>> > Park airport. They've just finished re-routing the
road course and our<br>>> > local autocross club managed to get a
big chunk of it today for us to<br>>> > try out our driver skills.
This makes for a faster course as all the<br>>> > autocross
elements are laid out in-line with the road coarse.<br>>>
><br>>> > This can also be deceptive, challenging and dangerous
if you're not<br>>> > paying attention. Such unlucky fortune found
it my way today.<br>>> ><br>>> > First run of the day,
cold track, cold tires. Didn't take it easy<br>>> > enough. Ran OFF
track and nosed my Pantera into a ditch when I failed<br>>> > to
negotiate a slalom. The previously dented front valance now is<br>>>
> dented severely to include new creases. Well, I -was- going to
replace<br>>> > that anyway. And as further luck would have it, as
I inspected and<br>>> > hammered it out just a tad, I found where
that funny warm coolant odor<br>>> > was coming from. <sigh>
Looks like the Fluidyne radiator is weeping<br>>> > just a tad on
the drivers side from some tube (I haven't found exactly<br>>> >
where yet). Not enough to leave drops on the garage floor yet,
but<br>>> > we'll need to get that fixed.<br>>>
><br>>> > Second and third runs went much better and by the end
of the day we <br>>> were<br>>> > spanking the course pretty
darn hard.<br>>> ><br>>> > Sooo....<br>>>
><br>>> > - Glad I've not started a restoration project
yet<br>>> > - She's still pulling hard and driving fine (though the
driver needs a<br>>> > bit more experience)<br>>> > -
Having fun despite the tiny setbacks.<br>>> ><br>>> >
:)<br>>> > Asa Jay<br>>> ><br>>> > --<br>>>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired<br>>> > & Shelley
Marie<br>>> > Spokane, WA<br>>> >
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