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Agreed.<br>
I have a line on some new shocks, I just need to wait a little
longer for the budget money. Unfortunately I'm not living a
"stimulus plan" kind of life. :) Once I have those, I have a local
shop who offered to help set up the corner weighting and new
alignment. Feedback on here has also indicated a 1" sway bar both
front and rear might benefit me, but those will be farther into the
future. What I have now works pretty well, even if not optimum.<br>
<br>
Asa Jay<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
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On 5/29/2011 3:28 AM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com">michael@michaelshortt.com</a> wrote:
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cite="mid:BANLkTi=q671--Nh+zUA1xyiUyyuPzOumnQ@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<p>what I meant was, is that any little thing cause lead to
problems that get much bigger when you add in all the physics of
speed, Momentum, weight transfer, etc</p>
<p>Just having cold tires didn't put you in the ditch all by
themselves.</p>
<p>I always get a kick out of watching some well meaning racer try
to fix a problem by adjusting ten things at once. to solve an
issue. How do you know which thing was the problem if you do it
that way? change adjustments one at a time and if what you just
did doesn't fix it, put it back where it was and change
something else.</p>
<p>not remembering if You braked or not is good I think, you were
in the moment and I'm sure you did, otherwise the damage would
have been worse. sounds like you were trying to save it the
whole way, unlike some novice who might have braked hard, been
rear ended, stirred up a lot of debris and used stiffened arms
to brace themselves for a nice big thud.</p>
<p>nothing wrong with trying to drive it of trouble until the
bitter end.</p>
<p>I personally like a car that is "loose" with maybe 52% rear
weight bias, that way you can usually induce a slide with a
little extra throttle if you meed too. nothing gives me the
willies more than being a passenger when a car is tight or
pushes so hard that driver input is meaningless, it like just
being along for the ride, except your * gets real tight and
eventually your wallet gets real loose. </p>
<p>it didn't get real cold often in NC where i grew up, but when
we did have ice storms, i used to find big empty parking lots to
play on to try and learn car control, that was fun. </p>
<p>aside from letting the tires warm up, I'd look into some
adjustable shocks and get your weights set up, it will feel like
another car.</p>
<p>thanks for sharing.</p>
<p>michael<br>
<br>
<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On May 29, 2011 12:26 AM, "Asa Jay
Laughton" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com">asajay@asajay.com</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution">
> On 5/28/2011 6:33 PM, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com">michael@michaelshortt.com</a>
wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> glad that you and the car faired so well. sounds like
min damage <br>
>> that could have been much worse.<br>
>><br>
>> can we surmise the cause?<br>
>><br>
> Yes, it was a loose nut between the steering wheel and the
seat.<br>
>><br>
>> you drove in nose first, was that by choice?<br>
>><br>
> No, however if I had been thinking faster, maybe 10 times
faster, I <br>
> could have cranked the front to the opposite lock and
perhaps swung the <br>
> ass end enough to stay on the track.<br>
>><br>
>> understeer or "push" involved?<br>
>><br>
> probably some trailing throttle oversteer, brought the ass
end around on <br>
> me and I couldn't correct myself back into line.<br>
>><br>
>> did your brakes do all that they could?<br>
>><br>
> Funny I can't even remember using the brakes until I knew I
was going <br>
> off the track.<br>
>><br>
>> sand on the track?<br>
>><br>
> Nope.<br>
>><br>
>> cold tires?<br>
>><br>
> Most definately.<br>
>><br>
>> wrong pressures?<br>
>><br>
> No<br>
>><br>
>> what size sway bars front and rear?<br>
>><br>
> Front = stock (3/4" I think)<br>
> Rear = 7/8"<br>
>><br>
>> ride height front and rear?<br>
>><br>
> That's anybody's guess with my wacked shocks.<br>
>><br>
>> have you done your corner weights ( with the car wet
and your weight <br>
>> in the drivers seat?<br>
>><br>
> Nope<br>
>><br>
>> what ties at what if any tread depth?<br>
>><br>
> Toyo Proxes R888, one season already on them, I'm between a
1/16" and <br>
> 1/8" from the wear bars.<br>
>><br>
>> every boo-boo is an opportunity to learn, some lessons
( like broken <br>
>> rockers sometimes) just cost more than others.<br>
>><br>
> This one had to do with getting excited early in the
morning on a cold <br>
> track. I was -not- the first to spin on the track today.
They were <br>
> even warning all the drivers to take the first run slow. I
thought I <br>
> was until I got to that one cone.<br>
>><br>
>> I was reading about Senna again today, gone too soon,
killed by <br>
>> suspension parts directly, but all caused by a broken
steering <br>
>> column. Every little part counts, they're all
ultimately connected to <br>
>> each other.<br>
>><br>
> <br>
> Now you lost me.<br>
> Asa Jay<br>
>><br>
>> Michael Shortt<br>
>><br>
>> On May 28, 2011 8:48 PM, "Asa Jay Laughton" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com">asajay@asajay.com</a>
<br>
>> <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:asajay@asajay.com">asajay@asajay.com</a>>>
wrote:<br>
>> > Autocross today at Spokane County Raceway, not the
usual course at Deer<br>
>> > Park airport. They've just finished re-routing the
road course and our<br>
>> > local autocross club managed to get a big chunk of
it today for us to<br>
>> > try out our driver skills. This makes for a faster
course as all the<br>
>> > autocross elements are laid out in-line with the
road coarse.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > This can also be deceptive, challenging and
dangerous if you're not<br>
>> > paying attention. Such unlucky fortune found it my
way today.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > First run of the day, cold track, cold tires.
Didn't take it easy<br>
>> > enough. Ran OFF track and nosed my Pantera into a
ditch when I failed<br>
>> > to negotiate a slalom. The previously dented front
valance now is<br>
>> > dented severely to include new creases. Well, I
-was- going to replace<br>
>> > that anyway. And as further luck would have it, as
I inspected and<br>
>> > hammered it out just a tad, I found where that
funny warm coolant odor<br>
>> > was coming from. <sigh> Looks like the
Fluidyne radiator is weeping<br>
>> > just a tad on the drivers side from some tube (I
haven't found exactly<br>
>> > where yet). Not enough to leave drops on the
garage floor yet, but<br>
>> > we'll need to get that fixed.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Second and third runs went much better and by the
end of the day we <br>
>> were<br>
>> > spanking the course pretty darn hard.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Sooo....<br>
>> ><br>
>> > - Glad I've not started a restoration project yet<br>
>> > - She's still pulling hard and driving fine
(though the driver needs a<br>
>> > bit more experience)<br>
>> > - Having fun despite the tiny setbacks.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > :)<br>
>> > Asa Jay<br>
>> ><br>
>> > --<br>
>> > Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired<br>
>> > & Shelley Marie<br>
>> > Spokane, WA<br>
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