[TPR] The Germans project

Fri May 31 18:00:50 PDT 2024

When ethanol was first added to commifornia fuel we had oodles of customers come in with fuel smell—turned out to be disinegrating hoses. Some of my custumers actually lost their cars to engine fires(I was in the car with a customer when it caught fire and burnt donw)  Fast forward to 2024---We bought a used chrysler grand caravan flex fuel. Since there is a chevron station on the way from whitehorseranch to Palm Springs area where Maureen golfs twice a week it seemed to be perfect.Gas about 4.50/gal ethanol --I believe its called e85 —2.99. Since I'm a stuck up German I drive either my mercedes S-class or my little mercedes convertible-so I didn't catch up on it right away---but: when I used the van I turned computer to economy and wondered why a fairly new van would only get 15 mpg. Now that computer is certainly not super accurate --BUT-- I get in my S class heavier than 2 Panteras Top of the line older Mercedes around 25 mpg—So talked to Maureen and we decided to run Regular for a while....... consumption went to 22 mpg. So much of green savings.....

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Sent: Friday, May 31, 2024 8:22 AM
To: DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>; Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
Cc: Chris Terp <chris at theseminargroup.net>; Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Subject: Re: [TPR] The Germans project

Ethanol: gas lines:
Older cars, older gas lines: YES, IT'S EXTREMELY HARD on them.  But mostly on higher percentages of ethanol.
Rusty / Compromise fuel tanks: ethanol is an extreme cleaner.  It'll break the rust loose & clog the filter.....again & again!!!

Newer vehicles: fuel lines handle it fine.  They also aren't old enough to have rusty tanks....& the ratio of the blend is pretty mild
Vehicles DESIGNED as dual fuel:
ZERO ISSUES, even at higher % of ethanol.
But they have a sticker telling you max% to use. (E85 for example)

I did some math a few years ago.
"What is the cost per mile of reg gas v/s gasohol??"
(Four tanks of fuel: 2 gasoline/ 2 reg gas)

My result on my dual fuel Yukon:
Gasohol price per gallon has to be '70%' of regular gas to equal cost per mile.
It's NEVER TRUE!!

BTW: dual fuel vehicles: factory ratings:
Mpg is based on gas.
HP is based on gasohol.

"We must all hang together, or, most assuredly, we will hang seperately!"
Benjamin Franklin, in regards to Unity & Strength in Declaration of Independence.
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From: DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2024 8:59:09 AM
To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
Cc: Chris Terp <chris at theseminargroup.net>; David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>; Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Subject: Re: [TPR] The Germans project

Thanks Asa. Not a subject I know jack about but believe I read that Ethanal in all the gas is tough on fuel lines and engines. Trade off?
MD
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On May 31, 2024, at 6:50 AM, Asa Jay Laughton via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote:

You’ll see a third pump handle and hose at most gas stations in WA now.  It’s blue and supposedly pumps ethanol free fuel at a premium price.  Is it worth it?  We’ve tried it and not seen any improvements in mileage or power.  I’ll stick to the highest octane I can get.

Asa  Jay

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On May 30, 2024, at 19:57, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com> wrote:

Chris,
Methanol FREE?
Is that possible in Washington?
Am I mistaken that all gas sold had Methanol?

MD

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On May 30, 2024, at 11:24 AM, Chris Terp via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote:

Asa, keep the car as long as you want.  Also I only use methanol free fuel, but it’s only 89 octane.

Christopher Terp

The Seminar Group

From: TPR <tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com> On Behalf Of Mad Dog Antenucci via TPR
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2024 7:05 PM
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Subject: Re: [TPR] The Germans project

 Self Control for Asa?

HAHAHA

MD

On Wednesday, May 29, 2024 at 06:46:36 AM PDT, David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com<mailto:davecarp80138 at outlook.com>> wrote:

Never....I mean NEVER leave your car@ MY place with a Full Tank!!!

That would be just foolish!!!!

I can be trusted just soo far ya know!!!

Asa may have better Self Control!!!

😅😂

"We must all hang together, or, most assuredly, we will hang seperately!"

Benjamin Franklin, in regards to Unity & Strength in Declaration of Independence.

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Subject: Re: [TPR] The Germans project

Well between Chris's and my Pantera don;t you already have too many?

[Emoji][Emoji]

MD

On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 12:57:07 PM PDT, Asa Jay Laughton via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com<mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>> wrote:

Only if someone loans me one.

😁😁

Asa  Jay

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On May 28, 2024, at 11:31, DENNIS ANTENUCCI via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com<mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>> wrote:

Hey Team,
Peter-the-Germans major paint project photos update. Beautiful work Peter!!

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I know Asa is wrenching on Chris’ pantera, and Gerry has a ZF that needs some work and Cory/rookie is ironing out electronics, and Lee has machine shop  finishing up work on his new engine and I am trying to sort out a wheel and tire order is anyone else out there planning to run a pantera in Sept.?

Mark in the Z06
JB in his C8
Paul in his Viper
Laurie in anything she wants 🫣

Leaving anyone out here?

Thanks

MD

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