[TPR] Fwd: Silver State classic May 2012 240 MPH Fastest car in USA Jim Peruto

Tue Jun 4 20:56:30 PDT 2024

It's actually EASY downhill!!!
But the return leg is such a B____h!!
Lolololol
DC

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction!!  We didn't pass it on to our children in the bloodstream!  It must be fought for, protected, & handed on to them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children & our children's children what it was once like in the USA where men were Free!!"
Ronald Reagan
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From: DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2024 8:01:20 PM
To: David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>
Cc: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>; Larry Stock via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Subject: Re: [TPR] Fwd: Silver State classic May 2012 240 MPH Fastest car in USA Jim Peruto

Damn Dave….between you and Larry I now need Asa to build me 850HP Engine. My last engine builder (Russ Fulps) passed away in his shop. Luckily it wasn’t my engine.

Dawg looking for a volunteer to drive my Pantera at 200 MPH at SS in Sept. Gonna add the ground effects, skip the 850HP big block and go 200 MPH with 400 Hp.

You said its possible right Larry?

MD

Ps ASA when are you finishing Chris’ Pantera?
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On Jun 4, 2024, at 6:27 PM, David Carpenter via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote:

Every car has different Aero.  Larry seems to have chosen some keen items to ATTACK the OEM's deficits!!
But, everything is relative!!
Larry's ride was running Beyond what the engineers designed it for!!

Larry has Cajones the factory engineers / test drivers lacked!!!
LOLOLOLOL

M&M car:
SW Tour car.  Designed to spend it's time @ a max of maybe 125-130.
Mike Borders, when he owned it: I think he finally made it to 185 mph a couple times.
When I bought it in 2003:
I cut One inch off the rear deck spoiler, & laid it back 10 degrees. (Less drag, & I was never gonna be slow in corners...didn't need that much early downforce)

All good with first engine we built.
Plus me getting used to car.  In 1 1/2 yrs, that original LS1 engine we built: Finally couldn't hold up as we passed 500 hp.
The right side of block BLEW Out @ 180 mph.  Luckily, we were in hard right hand corner!!  Rt side tires oiled up instantly, but LEFT TIRES doing all the work at the time!!
One month later, had a 540 ci / 800 hp engine. ( then @ Twin 50, Elko NV ORR.)
Car was great: cornered great:  But on straights, for first time I was in mid 190's.
Car felt like a tire going soft!!  Weaving around, handling LOOSE!!
As I drove, I was puzzled!!
Why does it corner great, but above 190 it gets sooo loose!!

2 days later back in Denver.  Explained it to Ernie:
He instantly said:
"You're getting too much air under car!!"
Nose skirt was built.  Side skirts were twice as long!!
Car was solid as a rock for next 6 yrs, even above 200!!  (Remember, orig car wasn't made to run that speed...ever.)
I was gonna make tunnels under rear.  Or do many other mods: but the need disappeared!!

Tires did smoke a few times. Big short track brakes, I almost never used them hard: but a couple times, it got kinda wild!!

Mostly tire surfaces looked 'MOTTLED'...some areas had some balled up melted rubber.
Mostly: they showed some deep scratches!!  Always my guess: a tiny sharp little stone chip cut, when we got light on tires & spinning some.
I never used tires twice in fast races.  I saved the best of those used ones for SORC.
Slower, you all know.  Road surface crowned, so cornering....near the edge... you had to be careful!!
On that last straight a few miles before North finish toward Dunning was my fastest stretch.
Undulating road means you better pay attention.   I DID look down @ Nordskog digital speedo I installed a couple times.
196 mph was what I saw last race on that stretch!!
I remember WELL:
because when I looked up...I was maybe 50 yards from a line of ducks crossing the road!!!

Thanks Ted Suthers!! (He & Jackie came from Battle Mtn to help Mike & Marsha B.)
He helped me clean the feathers off grill & brake duct screens @ Dunning High school!!!

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction!!  We didn't pass it on to our children in the bloodstream!  It must be fought for, protected, & handed on to them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children & our children's children what it was once like in the USA where men were Free!!"
Ronald Reagan
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From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2024 4:38:12 PM
To: DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>; Larry Stock via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Cc: David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>
Subject: Re: [TPR] Fwd: Silver State classic May 2012 240 MPH Fastest car in USA Jim Peruto

Here is my Pantera mini Aero workshop course;

That Cow Catcher air dam keeps the air from getting under the front end. The Side skirts keeps the vacuum created by the air dam going thru to the rear to also keep the rear sucked down. A maximum 7 degree rack angle also helps by expanding the the air to keep the rear down-force, hence the 7 degree rear diffusers you often see many cars today. A wing under the car creates a venturi effect of an additional low pressure zone under the car. I would run one or two venturi wings under the Pantera creating a calculated 4400-4700 pounds of downforce at only 85 MPH. Doing this with no other changes to my Pantera out at Pahrump, a 2.6 mile, 9 turn road course, I took 6 seconds off my 1:54 lap time by removing or installing just the side skirts. My Pantera would get sucked down so hard and far that at 140 down the straights I would be clearing (grinding off my directional tabs) at the rear frame crossmember that the rear sway bar mounts to, by less than an inch. I didn’t do the downforce calculations, but it would be a huge scary number, so for extended open road speeds, if you can take care of the front end, at that speed, the rear end will take care of itself, unless you get air under the front end. That’s where the center Venturi wing and that rear spade NASCAR type flow inhibitor spoiler that you gave me off your burned Pantera comes into the rear Anti-Lift equation and balance. If you look head on at a F1 car, it’s all about flowing the air through the car, with multiple wings and venturi’s inside the wheels managing the air flow around the tires and cockpit. It is all about air flow management to create downforce without increasing drag.

Larry

From: TPR <tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com> on behalf of DENNIS ANTENUCCI via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Reply-To: DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 1:53 PM
To: Larry Stock via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Cc: David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>
Subject: Re: [TPR] Fwd: Silver State classic May 2012 240 MPH Fastest car in USA Jim Peruto

I never noticed any benefit to side skirts. But that may explain why my 550 HP little stroker did not go 200 MPH and yours did with 400 HP. That cow catching air damn slowed me down 30 MPH.

Haha

MD

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On Jun 4, 2024, at 12:45 PM, Larry Stock via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote:

Did I see side Skirts on The Dawg Pantera? They looked relatively half shortened, gaping open to the road surface.

The skirts gave me too much down force and too much negative camber at speed with too much inside tire temperature. For SSC speed runs, I took the skirts off, offering less drag, 10.2 MPG at 150 average, 4400 rpm, cruising speed, and capable of 200+ MPH with 3:20 gears and a stockish 400 HP Cleveland. (no strokers here).

From: DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 11:24 AM
To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
Cc: Larry Stock via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>, David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>
Subject: Re: [TPR] Fwd: Silver State classic May 2012 240 MPH Fastest car in USA Jim Peruto

I did the same road testing with my aero mods on the OC toll road near my home in Huntington Beach back when it first opened and there was no using it at 6 am on a weekend. Of course it did not replicate the high desert on the H-318 but still Dick Drenske and I went out and we ran between two on- ramps  to check trafficband then he sat on one gave me the okay signal via radio to run the Pantera. From that yesterday run we added some mods to Hall Pantera’s air damn which at speed was a huge improvement at speed (above 150). That was Second best improvement after adding positive caster to the front suspension. More so going to 7+ on Woods A arms.

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On Jun 4, 2024, at 9:23 AM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:

Just take one step at a time, know your limits, then push those limits. - Test and Hide -

I tested on a nearby stretch of Nevada highway early on Sunday Mornings, when the NHP are still sleepy.

I had a fellow Red Pantera Owner who restored his Pantera and used my Painter to paint his Pantera Red just like mine. He said that the first 4 times he went across that highway stretch that he was pulled over, and had to explain that you don’t want this Red Pantera, you want the Red Pantera from the other side of the Valley, The One You Can’t Catch.

From: TPR <tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com> on behalf of DENNIS ANTENUCCI via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
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Date: Tuesday, June 4, 2024 at 8:54 AM
To: Larry Stock via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Cc: David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>
Subject: Re: [TPR] Fwd: Silver State classic May 2012 240 MPH Fastest car in USA Jim Peruto

Larry,

You’ve come up with innovative modifications to go fast and improve aero at speed.

Not to scare Cory and Chris or any other potential rookies in these horror stories we are sharing like comparing old scars everyone remember to run Touring or even Grand Touring as long as your head is in the game its like a Sunday drive. One to be enjoyed.

MD & Dennis

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On Jun 4, 2024, at 7:59 AM, Larry Stock via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote:

I have always had an eye for Air Management under the car to keep as much original appearance as possible. Since I’m on the 6’2” large size, I had dropped floor pans installed, and since we were set up at the lower designed ride height, I drug my butt a lot. So, I installed our own plastic skid pads and we protect the seat mounting bolts with our design of a short ¼” thick U channel to drill and tap that we mount the seats in with. This short ¼” deep channel for seat bolt threads became solid filled with the concrete from the Bridge. I don’t think we had an inch between our butt cheeks and hard concrete impacting at 155MPH. The concrete is probably still there imbedded into the seat rails.

Larry

From: DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, June 3, 2024 at 6:56 PM
To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
Cc: David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>, Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Subject: Re: [TPR] Fwd: Silver State classic May 2012 240 MPH Fastest car in USA Jim Peruto

Haha Larry….yea JB and I were there running with ya at the Pony Express…so what 4-points did you have a problem with? I mean besides the lack of Brazilian Girls at Battle Mountain.

Haha

Dawg, MD

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On Jun 3, 2024, at 1:40 PM, Larry Stock via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote:

We installed an intercom, since to yell at each other, I had to slow to under 140, and when you realize how far you travel at that speed we change zip codes to write a short note of “What was that?”

Can’t here the road noise at that speed, that’s all behind you, it’s just the wind noise coming at you that you hear. When your airborne, it’s still just the wind, but with a little horizon attitude amplification, and then the camera goes to snow upon the 14 point landing impact, that’s how we knew we stuck the landing. Oh yeah, the 14 points were, 4 tires and 10 hard chassis points including 4 of the underside of our seat rails where the concrete was imbedded into the U-Channel seat fastening rails. You tend to feel those 4 points much more than the others.

Larry

From: TPR <tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com> on behalf of David Carpenter via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Reply-To: David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>
Date: Monday, June 3, 2024 at 1:18 PM
To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>, Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Subject: Re: [TPR] Fwd: Silver State classic May 2012 240 MPH Fastest car in USA Jim Peruto

Love to see videos if you find them.

At high speed, it gets pretty noisy in car.

Airborne:  everything gets QUIET!!!

Only for a second or two!!!!

Very few would understand what is happening!!!

At speed, it could be just an inch, but distance traveled can be kinda wild!!!

DC

"Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction!!  We didn't pass it on to our children in the bloodstream!  It must be fought for, protected, & handed on to them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children & our children's children what it was once like in the USA where men were Free!!"

Ronald Reagan

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From: TPR <tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com> on behalf of Larry Stock via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2024 1:37:41 PM
To: DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>; Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Subject: Re: [TPR] Fwd: Silver State classic May 2012 240 MPH Fastest car in USA Jim Peruto

These SSC 200 MPH video’s are sparking a flame under me, sorry I’ve been so quite, but I’ve been under the weather after visiting my Daughter in Denver a week ago. I haven’t had a cold since January of 2020. But, After viewing these 200MPH video’s, I should figure out where my in-car Video’s went and try to figure out how to post them. Two come to mind, of course when we pulled up on the K&N Hennessy Viper at 202MPH, (I was radared unofficially at 194 while going away) and when we went airborne at 155 at the bridge crossing at the Pont Express.

Larry

From: TPR <tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com> on behalf of DENNIS ANTENUCCI via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
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Date: Sunday, June 2, 2024 at 11:32 AM
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Subject: [TPR] Fwd: Silver State classic May 2012 240 MPH Fastest car in USA Jim Peruto

Cool read!

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Subject: Silver State classic May 2012    240 MPH Fastest  car in USA  Jim Peruto

https://youtube.com/watch?v=jua9p_FHpQE&si=zPFlEaD4he6PSyGN

Jim may have been in the 250 mph range.  Long straight, slight downhill.   Known to be a smooth section.

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