[TPR] Fwd: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes
DENNIS ANTENUCCI
teampantera at yahoo.com
Wed Jan 11 09:50:57 PST 2023
One more reason to join us in Ely listening to stories about how daring or fast we used to be!
Our new KID (Chris Terp) plus Lee (still a Pantera rookie) and Ransom Sanders (another rookie) will be the new guys to watch to watch in this new year. With two pack of Rottweilers that Paul and Chris own our parking security at the Hotel Nevada should not be a problem.
But the bigger news is Bud Hower got a green go cars to enter the SORC in Nebraska. A long time SORC and SSCC veteran he turns 80 this week and he calls me “KID. I don’t want to hear any of you slackers whine about being old.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY BUD
MD
“Don’t let the old man in”
Clint Eastwood
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 11, 2023, at 8:36 AM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks, I think so too.
> I think I remember about 24 or 26 competitors in this particular 150 MPH average speed group, most all past winners.
> I think the top 12 were within +/-0.1 MPH average. I had the only “Vintage” Car of any kind.
> Those were the days of 10 Pantera’s running under our fearless leader, The Dawg
> Some photo’s to remember attached
> Larry
>
> From: TPR <tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com> on behalf of David Carpenter via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> Reply-To: David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>
> Date: Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 7:13 PM
> To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>, Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> Subject: Re: [TPR] Fwd: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes
>
> That's a Cool azzed Trophy.....in one Tough Class ....ANY year!!!!
>
>
> From: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2023 4:12:28 PM
> To: David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>; DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>; Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> Subject: Re: [TPR] Fwd: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes
>
> Then we got a better trophy, top dawg in the highly contested 150 class
>
> From: TPR <tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com> on behalf of David Carpenter via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> Reply-To: David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>
> Date: Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 3:06 PM
> To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>, Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> Subject: Re: [TPR] Fwd: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes
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> NICE trophy…..& WONDERFUL ALIEN MARKS ON ROAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> “America will never be destroyed from the outside.
> If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”
> ― Abraham Lincoln
> “RIP Dan S. & Don H.
>
> From: Larry Stock via TPR
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2023 11:35 AM
> To: DENNIS ANTENUCCI; Team Racing
> Subject: Re: [TPR] Fwd: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes
>
> I just wanted a parachute attached to mt ass to ease me back to earth gently with the front end leading the way.
> It’s all about controlling the angle of attack,
> Those woop-te-doos leading into the canyon at below 140 are no problem, at 160 or better is a launch that will throw you, a la, Jr Wilson
> Larry
>
>
> From: DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> Date: Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:39 AM
> To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>, Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> Subject: Re: [TPR] Fwd: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes
>
> Now I know why you stopped ORR racing in Pantera’s! 😉
>
> Chris’ Bubble Wrap suggestion for the Pantera makes more sense. 😂. If ya don’t want to add a roll bar or cage just slow down.
>
> MD, who will slow down and never add a roll bar.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>
> On Jan 10, 2023, at 9:11 AM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
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> Adding more support everywhere like those NASCAR boys being enclosed in chromoly tubes or the Indy car Carbon fiber driver capsules all makes sense, but how safe is safe? I think you need to look at this in levels of safety protection based on the design.
> A roll cage in a Pantera with that forward protection adds another level over just a roll bar. For Pantera safety, Personally speaking, I don’t see where a single Roll Bar will add much to what’s already built into the original Pantera design. A roll cage will reinforce those rather weak windshield pillars greatly. That firewall shear panel coupled with the B Pillars and the Targa top hoop structure makes that middle of the car exceptionally strong. The Next greatest weakness in a Pantera is reinforcing the doors for the side impact. Again, a Cage can be fashioned with side bars to reinforce the doors, so you can add another level of safety protection again with a cage.
> Larry
>
>
> From: TPR <tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com> on behalf of DENNIS ANTENUCCI via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> Reply-To: DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> Date: Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 8:46 AM
> To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
> Cc: Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> Subject: Re: [TPR] Fwd: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes
>
> Great info on Pantera ….I do recall reading something about the B piller protection on the Pantera.
>
> Thanks for the reminder. Do you agree on need to add a roll bar for a Pantera for any endurance racing in upper Grand Touring Division?
>
> Dennis
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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> On Jan 10, 2023, at 8:08 AM, Larry Stock via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote:
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> The engineered roof structure of the Pantera that comes up from the Door latching B Pillars* and behind the drivers head is a substantial roll over Targa top roof design. The front pillars are not so much, but that center box is a rather substantial structural design. In a Pantera a Roll cage, makes more sense than a roll bar.
>
> *if not rusted out
> Larry
>
>
> From: TPR <tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com> on behalf of DENNIS ANTENUCCI via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> Reply-To: DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> Date: Monday, January 9, 2023 at 9:16 PM
> To: Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> Subject: [TPR] Fwd: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes
>
> FYI
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Begin forwarded message:
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> From: DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com>
> Date: January 9, 2023 at 9:14:45 PM PST
> To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> Cc: David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>, Lee Pedersen <salemmotorsport at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes
>
> Mr President,
> You think adding a roll bar is a good idea?
>
> I do too….it’s a GREAT idea….Mark already is planning to add one to his future C8.
>
> I already have the answer for the C8 that already applies to C7’s and Vipers and others and that is what I am going with.
>
> GM provided position to NASA (North American Racing Association) and if it’s good enough for NASA it’s good enough for me but that’s just my personal opinion. 🙂
>
> And let me confirm again Mr President there is no as in zero roll over protection on the “Pantera”…we do agree on that….. As I said already the rules dictate that for a PANTERA you need a roll bar if you want to run in the Grand Touring Division.
>
> Think it is an excellent rule.
>
> Good Times
>
> Dennis
>
>
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jan 9, 2023, at 8:35 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
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> Just a quick Internet search showed up a forum posting that indicated only the C8R has factory rollover protection for most track style events, not much on details though. Then I found a few high end vendors making roll bars and cages. My guess is you’ll need to install something if you want to go faster.
>
> Asa Jay
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> Roll Over Protection for theC8
> midenginecorvetteforum.com
>
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> https://studiorsr.com/products/corvette-c8-roll-cage-roll-bar
>
>
> Chevrolet C8 Corvette Coupe Rollbar
> rpmrollbar.com
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> Sent via radio waves
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> On Jan 9, 2023, at 19:04, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Brotha Dave,
> You know more Corvette racers then I do but it appears I am the FIRST to ask this “integrated roll protection on C8’s or Z06’s.
>
> I have asked the SSCC message board and no replies yet…/also posted two requests to Corvette Forum and no response from any open road racers and Frank/SSCC says he doesn’t know of any C8 or Z06 roll over protection.
>
> Can you check with any of any of your peeps to see if anyone knows or knows who would know at Corvette
>
> Thanks
>
> Dawg
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jan 9, 2023, at 6:11 PM, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> No reason to….for several years they have been running C7’s etc in Grand Touring with NO roll bar.
> Will see if anyone eventually answers SS message board or Corvette Blog…so far nothing
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>
> From: Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: Monday, January 9, 2023 4:15 PM
> To: DENNIS ANTENUCCI
> Cc: Lee Pedersen
> Subject: Re: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes
>
> You should check last years results and maybe year before. See what speeds the C8’s were running and try to make direct contact.
>
> Asa Jay
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> Sent via radio waves
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> On Jan 9, 2023, at 15:48, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Thanks Asa….I just posted to Corvette Forum and specifically asked what spec has allowed earlier C7’s etc to allow not adding a aftermarket “roll bar”.
>
> And I added just saying the C8 does have an integrated bar (s) for Driver and passenger is NOT enough.
>
> It would appear I am the first person with a C8 to ask Frank at SS this question and no reply from my message board question either.
>
> HEY, we are doing some ground breaking here😂😂
>
> But if there is no spec evidence from a sanctioning GM authority I will be happy not to run faster then a 140
>
>
> MD
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jan 9, 2023, at 3:41 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
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> I got nuthin’ unless it’s in the owners manual. It would only make sense if they are promoting it for track use that it has a factory rollover system, but….
>
> Validation is the key. Best to check out any C8 forums and hope for the best.
>
> Asa Jay
>
> Sent via radio waves
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2023, at 13:02, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Hey Lee & Asa,
>
> I put a message on SSCC asking af anyone knew about C8 integrated bars for driver and passenger
>
> Lee or Asa just thought maybe there is a better way to check with GM. Any other ideas. Next going to Corvette blog
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Begin forwarded message:
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> From: DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com>
> Date: January 9, 2023 at 7:44:48 AM PST
> To: Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> Subject: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes
>
> Hey Team,
>
> A response from SSCC Race Director (Frank McKinnon) on rule changes.
>
> Looks like another year with SA2015 helmet…..note his comment on belts and expiration of belts…
>
> And I will check with Corvette Blog and Vegas Club guys if the C8 has an integrated bar.
>
> Dennis
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Begin forwarded message:
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> From: Frank McKinnon <car33 at att.net>
> Date: January 9, 2023 at 5:18:41 AM PST
> To: DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: 2023 Rule book changes
>
> hey, the helmet will be SA 2015 or newer.
> your car needs proof it has a bar
> in it.
> i have not found it for c8 as yet
> perhaps you have.. if so please share it with me.
> seat belts will expire on dec 31 of the expiration year written on the belts tag.
> thanks Frank
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jan 7, 2023, at 2:09 PM, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Hi Frank,
>
>
> A couple questions on rule book….
>
> 1. For my Pantera team any new rules being added to 2023 like helmets??
>
> 2. I plan to bring my C8. I assume like the other late model C7’s and Vipers I do ‘not’ need a roll bar for Grand Touring.
>
> Thanks…. and hope to see you up at PIR in the Spring.
>
> Dennis Antenucci
> Team Pantera Racing
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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