[TPR] Fwd: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes

Wed Jan 11 09:20:06 PST 2023

Nice pants…Was this in the 70’s…?

ons. 11. jan. 2023 kl. 17:10 skrev Larry Stock via TPR <
tpr at teampanteraracing.com>:

> Even John Bentley FINISHED
>
>
>
> *From: *John Bentley <gndplne at yahoo.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 9:06 AM
> *To: *Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
> *Cc: *David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <
> TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com>, Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [TPR] Fwd: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes
>
>
>
> Those were some great times. Even in vegas!
>
> Is that cafe finito?
>
> JB
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2023, at 8:37 AM, Larry Stock via TPR <
> tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Thanks, I think so too.
>
> I think I remember about 24 or 26 competitors in this particular 150 MPH
> average speed group, most all past winners.
>
> I think the top 12 were within +/-0.1 MPH average. I had the only
> “Vintage” Car of any kind.
>
> Those were the days of 10 Pantera’s running under our fearless leader, The
> Dawg
>
> Some photo’s to remember attached
>
> Larry
>
>
>
> *From: *TPR <tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com> on behalf of David
> Carpenter via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> *Reply-To: *David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 7:13 PM
> *To: *Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <
> teampantera at yahoo.com>, Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [TPR] Fwd: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes
>
>
>
> That's a Cool azzed Trophy.....in one Tough Class ....ANY year!!!!
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 10, 2023 4:12:28 PM
> *To:* David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>; DENNIS ANTENUCCI <
> teampantera at yahoo.com>; Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] Fwd: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes
>
>
>
> Then we got a better trophy, top dawg in the highly contested 150 class
>
>
>
> *From: *TPR <tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com> on behalf of David
> Carpenter via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> *Reply-To: *David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 3:06 PM
> *To: *Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <
> teampantera at yahoo.com>, Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [TPR] Fwd: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes
>
>
>
> NICE trophy…..& WONDERFUL ALIEN MARKS ON ROAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>
> “America will never be destroyed from the outside.
>
> If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed
> ourselves.”
> ― *Abraham Lincoln*
>
> *“RIP Dan S. & Don H.*
>
>
>
> *From: *Larry Stock via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 10, 2023 11:35 AM
> *To: *DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>; Team Racing
> <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [TPR] Fwd: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes
>
>
>
> I just wanted a parachute attached to mt ass to ease me back to earth
> gently with the front end leading the way.
>
> It’s all about controlling the angle of attack,
>
> Those woop-te-doos leading into the canyon at below 140 are no problem, at
> 160 or better is a launch that will throw you, a la, Jr Wilson
>
> Larry
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:39 AM
> *To: *Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>, Team Racing <
> tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [TPR] Fwd: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes
>
>
>
> Now I know why you stopped ORR racing in Pantera’s! 😉
>
>
>
> Chris’ Bubble Wrap suggestion for the Pantera makes more sense. 😂. If ya
> don’t  want to add a roll bar or cage just slow down.
>
>
>
> MD, who will slow down and never add a roll bar.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Jan 10, 2023, at 9:11 AM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Adding more support everywhere like those NASCAR boys being enclosed in
> chromoly tubes or the Indy car Carbon fiber driver capsules all makes
> sense, but how safe is safe? I think you need to look at this in levels of
> safety protection based on the design.
>
> A roll cage in a Pantera with that forward protection adds another level
> over just a roll bar. For Pantera safety, Personally speaking, I don’t see
> where a single Roll Bar will add much to what’s already built into the
> original Pantera design. A roll cage will reinforce those rather weak
> windshield pillars greatly. That firewall shear panel coupled with the B
> Pillars and the Targa top hoop structure makes that middle of the car
> exceptionally strong. The Next greatest weakness in a Pantera is
> reinforcing the doors for the side impact. Again, a Cage can be fashioned
> with side bars to reinforce the doors, so you can add another level of
> safety protection again with a cage.
>
> Larry
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *TPR <tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com> on behalf of DENNIS
> ANTENUCCI via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> *Reply-To: *DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 8:46 AM
> *To: *Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
> *Cc: *Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [TPR] Fwd: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes
>
>
>
> Great info on Pantera ….I do recall reading something about the B piller
> protection on the Pantera.
>
>
>
> Thanks for the reminder.  Do you agree on need to add a roll bar for a
> Pantera for any endurance racing in upper Grand Touring Division?
>
>
>
> Dennis
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Jan 10, 2023, at 8:08 AM, Larry Stock via TPR <
> tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> The engineered roof structure of the Pantera that comes up from the Door
> latching B Pillars* and behind the drivers head is a substantial roll over
> Targa top roof design. The front pillars are not so much, but that center
> box is a rather substantial structural design. In a Pantera a Roll cage,
> makes more sense than a roll bar.
>
>
>
> *if not rusted out
>
> Larry
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *TPR <tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com> on behalf of DENNIS
> ANTENUCCI via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> *Reply-To: *DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> *Date: *Monday, January 9, 2023 at 9:16 PM
> *To: *Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> *Subject: *[TPR] Fwd: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes
>
>
>
> FYI
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From:* DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com>
> *Date:* January 9, 2023 at 9:14:45 PM PST
> *To:* Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> *Cc:* David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>, Lee Pedersen <
> salemmotorsport at yahoo.com>
> *Subject:* *Re: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes*
>
> Mr President,
>
> You think adding a roll bar is a good idea?
>
>
>
> I do too….it’s a GREAT  idea….Mark already is planning to add one to his
> future C8.
>
>
>
> I already have the answer for the C8 that already applies to C7’s and
> Vipers and others and that is what I am going with.
>
>
>
> GM provided position to NASA (North American Racing Association) and if
> it’s good enough for NASA it’s good enough for me but that’s just my
> personal opinion. 🙂
>
>
>
> And let me confirm again Mr President there is no as in zero roll over
> protection on the “Pantera”…we do agree on that….. As I said already the
> rules dictate that for a PANTERA you need a roll bar if you want to run in
> the Grand Touring Division.
>
>
>
> Think it is an excellent rule.
>
>
>
> Good Times
>
>
>
> Dennis
>
>
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>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2023, at 8:35 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
>
> Just a quick Internet search showed up a forum posting that indicated
> only the C8R has factory rollover protection for most track style events,
> not much on details though.  Then I found a few high end vendors making
> roll bars and cages.  My guess is you’ll need to install something if you
> want to go faster.
>
>
>
> Asa  Jay
>
>
>
> [image: image001.jpg]
>
> Roll Over Protection for theC8
> <https://www.midenginecorvetteforum.com/forum/me-discussion-photos-videos/269329-roll-over-protection-for-thec8>
>
> midenginecorvetteforum.com
> <https://www.midenginecorvetteforum.com/forum/me-discussion-photos-videos/269329-roll-over-protection-for-thec8>
>
>
>
>
>
> https://studiorsr.com/products/corvette-c8-roll-cage-roll-bar
>
>
>
> Chevrolet C8 Corvette Coupe Rollbar
> <https://www.rpmrollbar.com/products/chevrolet-c8-corvette-coupe-rollbar>
>
> rpmrollbar.com
> <https://www.rpmrollbar.com/products/chevrolet-c8-corvette-coupe-rollbar>
>
>
>
> Sent via radio waves
>
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2023, at 19:04, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Brotha Dave,
>
> You know more Corvette racers then I do but it appears I am the FIRST to
> ask this “integrated roll protection on C8’s or Z06’s.
>
>
>
> I have asked the SSCC message board and no replies yet…/also posted two
> requests to Corvette Forum and no response from any open road racers and
> Frank/SSCC says he doesn’t know of any C8 or Z06 roll over protection.
>
>
>
> Can you check with any of any of your peeps to see if anyone knows or
> knows who would know at Corvette
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Dawg
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2023, at 6:11 PM, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> No reason to….for several years they have been running C7’s etc in Grand
> Touring with NO roll bar.
>
> Will see if anyone eventually answers SS message board or Corvette Blog…so
> far nothing
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows
>
>
>
> *From: *Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> *Sent: *Monday, January 9, 2023 4:15 PM
> *To: *DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com>
> *Cc: *Lee Pedersen <salemmotorsport at yahoo.com>
> *Subject: *Re: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes
>
>
>
> You should check last years results and maybe year before.  See what
> speeds the C8’s were running and try to make direct contact.
>
>
>
> Asa  Jay
>
> Sent via radio waves
>
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2023, at 15:48, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks Asa….I just posted to Corvette Forum and specifically asked what
> spec has allowed earlier C7’s etc to allow not adding a aftermarket “roll
> bar”.
>
>
>
> And I added just saying the C8 does have an integrated bar (s) for Driver
> and passenger is NOT enough.
>
>
>
> It would appear I am the first person with a C8 to ask Frank at SS this
> question and no reply from my message board question either.
>
>
>
> HEY, we are doing some ground breaking here😂😂
>
>
>
> But if there is no spec evidence from a sanctioning GM authority I will be
> happy not to run faster then a 140
>
>
>
>
>
> MD
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2023, at 3:41 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
>
> I got nuthin’ unless it’s in the owners manual.  It would only make sense
> if they are promoting it for track use that it has a factory rollover
> system, but….
>
>
>
> Validation is the key.  Best to check out any C8 forums and hope for the
> best.
>
>
>
> Asa  Jay
>
> Sent via radio waves
>
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2023, at 13:02, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Lee & Asa,
>
>
>
> I put a message on SSCC asking af anyone knew about C8 integrated bars for
> driver and passenger
>
>
>
> Lee or Asa just thought maybe there is a better way to check with GM. Any
> other ideas. Next going to Corvette blog
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From:* DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com>
> *Date:* January 9, 2023 at 7:44:48 AM PST
> *To:* Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> *Subject:* *SSCC 2023 Rule book changes*
>
> Hey Team,
>
>
>
> A response from SSCC Race Director (Frank McKinnon) on rule changes.
>
>
>
> Looks like another year with SA2015 helmet…..note his comment on belts and
> expiration of belts…
>
>
>
> And I will check with Corvette Blog and Vegas Club guys if the C8 has an
> integrated bar.
>
> Dennis
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From:* Frank McKinnon <car33 at att.net>
> *Date:* January 9, 2023 at 5:18:41 AM PST
> *To:* DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com>
> *Subject:* *Re: 2023 Rule book changes*
>
> hey,   the helmet  will  be SA 2015  or newer.
> your  car needs proof it has a bar
> in it.
> i have not found it for  c8  as  yet
> perhaps you  have..   if so  please share  it  with me.
> seat belts   will  expire on dec 31  of the expiration year  written on
> the belts tag.
> thanks Frank
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 7, 2023, at 2:09 PM, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Frank,
>
>
>
> A couple questions on rule book….
>
>
>
> 1. For my Pantera team any new rules being added to 2023 like helmets??
>
>
>
> 2. I plan to bring my C8. I assume like the other late model C7’s and
> Vipers I do ‘not’ need a roll bar for Grand Touring.
>
>
>
> Thanks…. and hope to see you up at PIR in the Spring.
>
>
>
> Dennis Antenucci
>
> Team Pantera Racing
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
>
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