[TPR] Fwd: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes

David Carpenter davecarp80138 at outlook.com
Tue Jan 10 15:06:08 PST 2023 

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From: Larry Stock via TPR<mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2023 11:35 AM
To: DENNIS ANTENUCCI<mailto:teampantera at yahoo.com>; Team Racing<mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Subject: Re: [TPR] Fwd: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes

I just wanted a parachute attached to mt ass to ease me back to earth gently with the front end leading the way.
It’s all about controlling the angle of attack,
Those woop-te-doos leading into the canyon at below 140 are no problem, at 160 or better is a launch that will throw you, a la, Jr Wilson
Larry


From: DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 9:39 AM
To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>, Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Subject: Re: [TPR] Fwd: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes

Now I know why you stopped ORR racing in Pantera’s! 😉

Chris’ Bubble Wrap suggestion for the Pantera makes more sense. 😂. If ya don’t  want to add a roll bar or cage just slow down.

MD, who will slow down and never add a roll bar.
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On Jan 10, 2023, at 9:11 AM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:

Adding more support everywhere like those NASCAR boys being enclosed in chromoly tubes or the Indy car Carbon fiber driver capsules all makes sense, but how safe is safe? I think you need to look at this in levels of safety protection based on the design.
A roll cage in a Pantera with that forward protection adds another level over just a roll bar. For Pantera safety, Personally speaking, I don’t see where a single Roll Bar will add much to what’s already built into the original Pantera design. A roll cage will reinforce those rather weak windshield pillars greatly. That firewall shear panel coupled with the B Pillars and the Targa top hoop structure makes that middle of the car exceptionally strong. The Next greatest weakness in a Pantera is reinforcing the doors for the side impact. Again, a Cage can be fashioned with side bars to reinforce the doors, so you can add another level of safety protection again with a cage.
Larry


From: TPR <tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com> on behalf of DENNIS ANTENUCCI via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Reply-To: DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 8:46 AM
To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
Cc: Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Subject: Re: [TPR] Fwd: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes

Great info on Pantera ….I do recall reading something about the B piller protection on the Pantera.

Thanks for the reminder.  Do you agree on need to add a roll bar for a Pantera for any endurance racing in upper Grand Touring Division?

Dennis
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On Jan 10, 2023, at 8:08 AM, Larry Stock via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote:

The engineered roof structure of the Pantera that comes up from the Door latching B Pillars* and behind the drivers head is a substantial roll over Targa top roof design. The front pillars are not so much, but that center box is a rather substantial structural design. In a Pantera a Roll cage, makes more sense than a roll bar.

*if not rusted out
Larry


From: TPR <tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com> on behalf of DENNIS ANTENUCCI via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Reply-To: DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, January 9, 2023 at 9:16 PM
To: Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Subject: [TPR] Fwd: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes

FYI
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From: DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com>
Date: January 9, 2023 at 9:14:45 PM PST
To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
Cc: David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>, Lee Pedersen <salemmotorsport at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes
Mr President,
You think adding a roll bar is a good idea?

I do too….it’s a GREAT  idea….Mark already is planning to add one to his future C8.

I already have the answer for the C8 that already applies to C7’s and Vipers and others and that is what I am going with.

GM provided position to NASA (North American Racing Association) and if it’s good enough for NASA it’s good enough for me but that’s just my personal opinion. 🙂

And let me confirm again Mr President there is no as in zero roll over protection on the “Pantera”…we do agree on that….. As I said already the rules dictate that for a PANTERA you need a roll bar if you want to run in the Grand Touring Division.

Think it is an excellent rule.

Good Times

Dennis



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On Jan 9, 2023, at 8:35 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
Just a quick Internet search showed up a forum posting that indicated only the C8R has factory rollover protection for most track style events, not much on details though.  Then I found a few high end vendors making roll bars and cages.  My guess is you’ll need to install something if you want to go faster.

Asa  Jay

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Roll Over Protection for theC8<https://www.midenginecorvetteforum.com/forum/me-discussion-photos-videos/269329-roll-over-protection-for-thec8>
midenginecorvetteforum.com<https://www.midenginecorvetteforum.com/forum/me-discussion-photos-videos/269329-roll-over-protection-for-thec8>


https://studiorsr.com/products/corvette-c8-roll-cage-roll-bar

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On Jan 9, 2023, at 19:04, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com> wrote:
Brotha Dave,
You know more Corvette racers then I do but it appears I am the FIRST to ask this “integrated roll protection on C8’s or Z06’s.

I have asked the SSCC message board and no replies yet…/also posted two requests to Corvette Forum and no response from any open road racers and Frank/SSCC says he doesn’t know of any C8 or Z06 roll over protection.

Can you check with any of any of your peeps to see if anyone knows or knows who would know at Corvette

Thanks

Dawg
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On Jan 9, 2023, at 6:11 PM, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com> wrote:

No reason to….for several years they have been running C7’s etc in Grand Touring with NO roll bar.
Will see if anyone eventually answers SS message board or Corvette Blog…so far nothing

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From: Asa Jay Laughton<mailto:asajay at asajay.com>
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2023 4:15 PM
To: DENNIS ANTENUCCI<mailto:TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com>
Cc: Lee Pedersen<mailto:salemmotorsport at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes

You should check last years results and maybe year before.  See what speeds the C8’s were running and try to make direct contact.

Asa  Jay
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On Jan 9, 2023, at 15:48, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com> wrote:
Thanks Asa….I just posted to Corvette Forum and specifically asked what spec has allowed earlier C7’s etc to allow not adding a aftermarket “roll bar”.

And I added just saying the C8 does have an integrated bar (s) for Driver and passenger is NOT enough.

It would appear I am the first person with a C8 to ask Frank at SS this question and no reply from my message board question either.

HEY, we are doing some ground breaking here😂😂

But if there is no spec evidence from a sanctioning GM authority I will be happy not to run faster then a 140


MD
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On Jan 9, 2023, at 3:41 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
I got nuthin’ unless it’s in the owners manual.  It would only make sense if they are promoting it for track use that it has a factory rollover system, but….

Validation is the key.  Best to check out any C8 forums and hope for the best.

Asa  Jay
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On Jan 9, 2023, at 13:02, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com> wrote:
Hey Lee & Asa,

I put a message on SSCC asking af anyone knew about C8 integrated bars for driver and passenger

Lee or Asa just thought maybe there is a better way to check with GM. Any other ideas. Next going to Corvette blog
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From: DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com>
Date: January 9, 2023 at 7:44:48 AM PST
To: Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
Subject: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes
Hey Team,

A response from SSCC Race Director (Frank McKinnon) on rule changes.

Looks like another year with SA2015 helmet…..note his comment on belts and expiration of belts…

And I will check with Corvette Blog and Vegas Club guys if the C8 has an integrated bar.

Dennis

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Begin forwarded message:
From: Frank McKinnon <car33 at att.net>
Date: January 9, 2023 at 5:18:41 AM PST
To: DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 2023 Rule book changes
hey,   the helmet  will  be SA 2015  or newer.
your  car needs proof it has a bar
in it.
i have not found it for  c8  as  yet
perhaps you  have..   if so  please share  it  with me.
seat belts   will  expire on dec 31  of the expiration year  written on the belts tag.
thanks Frank


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On Jan 7, 2023, at 2:09 PM, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi Frank,

A couple questions on rule book….

1. For my Pantera team any new rules being added to 2023 like helmets??

2. I plan to bring my C8. I assume like the other late model C7’s and Vipers I do ‘not’ need a roll bar for Grand Touring.

Thanks…. and hope to see you up at PIR in the Spring.

Dennis Antenucci
Team Pantera Racing

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