[TPR] Fwd: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes
DENNIS ANTENUCCI
teampantera at yahoo.com
Tue Jan 10 09:39:26 PST 2023
Now I know why you stopped ORR racing in Pantera’s! 😉
Chris’ Bubble Wrap suggestion for the Pantera makes more sense. 😂. If ya don’t want to add a roll bar or cage just slow down.
MD, who will slow down and never add a roll bar.
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> On Jan 10, 2023, at 9:11 AM, Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com> wrote:
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> Adding more support everywhere like those NASCAR boys being enclosed in chromoly tubes or the Indy car Carbon fiber driver capsules all makes sense, but how safe is safe? I think you need to look at this in levels of safety protection based on the design.
> A roll cage in a Pantera with that forward protection adds another level over just a roll bar. For Pantera safety, Personally speaking, I don’t see where a single Roll Bar will add much to what’s already built into the original Pantera design. A roll cage will reinforce those rather weak windshield pillars greatly. That firewall shear panel coupled with the B Pillars and the Targa top hoop structure makes that middle of the car exceptionally strong. The Next greatest weakness in a Pantera is reinforcing the doors for the side impact. Again, a Cage can be fashioned with side bars to reinforce the doors, so you can add another level of safety protection again with a cage.
> Larry
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> From: TPR <tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com> on behalf of DENNIS ANTENUCCI via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> Reply-To: DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> Date: Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 8:46 AM
> To: Larry Stock <larrys at panteraparts.com>
> Cc: Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> Subject: Re: [TPR] Fwd: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes
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> Great info on Pantera ….I do recall reading something about the B piller protection on the Pantera.
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> Thanks for the reminder. Do you agree on need to add a roll bar for a Pantera for any endurance racing in upper Grand Touring Division?
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> Dennis
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jan 10, 2023, at 8:08 AM, Larry Stock via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com> wrote:
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> The engineered roof structure of the Pantera that comes up from the Door latching B Pillars* and behind the drivers head is a substantial roll over Targa top roof design. The front pillars are not so much, but that center box is a rather substantial structural design. In a Pantera a Roll cage, makes more sense than a roll bar.
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> *if not rusted out
> Larry
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> From: TPR <tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com> on behalf of DENNIS ANTENUCCI via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> Reply-To: DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> Date: Monday, January 9, 2023 at 9:16 PM
> To: Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> Subject: [TPR] Fwd: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes
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> FYI
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> Begin forwarded message:
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> From: DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com>
> Date: January 9, 2023 at 9:14:45 PM PST
> To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> Cc: David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>, Lee Pedersen <salemmotorsport at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes
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> Mr President,
> You think adding a roll bar is a good idea?
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> I do too….it’s a GREAT idea….Mark already is planning to add one to his future C8.
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> I already have the answer for the C8 that already applies to C7’s and Vipers and others and that is what I am going with.
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> GM provided position to NASA (North American Racing Association) and if it’s good enough for NASA it’s good enough for me but that’s just my personal opinion. 🙂
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> And let me confirm again Mr President there is no as in zero roll over protection on the “Pantera”…we do agree on that….. As I said already the rules dictate that for a PANTERA you need a roll bar if you want to run in the Grand Touring Division.
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> Think it is an excellent rule.
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> Good Times
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> Dennis
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jan 9, 2023, at 8:35 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
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> Just a quick Internet search showed up a forum posting that indicated only the C8R has factory rollover protection for most track style events, not much on details though. Then I found a few high end vendors making roll bars and cages. My guess is you’ll need to install something if you want to go faster.
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> Asa Jay
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> Roll Over Protection for theC8
> midenginecorvetteforum.com
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> https://studiorsr.com/products/corvette-c8-roll-cage-roll-bar
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> Chevrolet C8 Corvette Coupe Rollbar
> rpmrollbar.com
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> Sent via radio waves
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> On Jan 9, 2023, at 19:04, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Brotha Dave,
> You know more Corvette racers then I do but it appears I am the FIRST to ask this “integrated roll protection on C8’s or Z06’s.
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> I have asked the SSCC message board and no replies yet…/also posted two requests to Corvette Forum and no response from any open road racers and Frank/SSCC says he doesn’t know of any C8 or Z06 roll over protection.
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> Can you check with any of any of your peeps to see if anyone knows or knows who would know at Corvette
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> Thanks
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> Dawg
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jan 9, 2023, at 6:11 PM, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> No reason to….for several years they have been running C7’s etc in Grand Touring with NO roll bar.
> Will see if anyone eventually answers SS message board or Corvette Blog…so far nothing
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> Sent from Mail for Windows
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> From: Asa Jay Laughton
> Sent: Monday, January 9, 2023 4:15 PM
> To: DENNIS ANTENUCCI
> Cc: Lee Pedersen
> Subject: Re: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes
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> You should check last years results and maybe year before. See what speeds the C8’s were running and try to make direct contact.
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> Asa Jay
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> Sent via radio waves
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> On Jan 9, 2023, at 15:48, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Thanks Asa….I just posted to Corvette Forum and specifically asked what spec has allowed earlier C7’s etc to allow not adding a aftermarket “roll bar”.
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> And I added just saying the C8 does have an integrated bar (s) for Driver and passenger is NOT enough.
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> It would appear I am the first person with a C8 to ask Frank at SS this question and no reply from my message board question either.
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> HEY, we are doing some ground breaking here😂😂
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> But if there is no spec evidence from a sanctioning GM authority I will be happy not to run faster then a 140
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> MD
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jan 9, 2023, at 3:41 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
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> I got nuthin’ unless it’s in the owners manual. It would only make sense if they are promoting it for track use that it has a factory rollover system, but….
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> Validation is the key. Best to check out any C8 forums and hope for the best.
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> Asa Jay
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> Sent via radio waves
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> On Jan 9, 2023, at 13:02, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Hey Lee & Asa,
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> I put a message on SSCC asking af anyone knew about C8 integrated bars for driver and passenger
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> Lee or Asa just thought maybe there is a better way to check with GM. Any other ideas. Next going to Corvette blog
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> From: DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com>
> Date: January 9, 2023 at 7:44:48 AM PST
> To: Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> Subject: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes
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> Hey Team,
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> A response from SSCC Race Director (Frank McKinnon) on rule changes.
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> Looks like another year with SA2015 helmet…..note his comment on belts and expiration of belts…
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> And I will check with Corvette Blog and Vegas Club guys if the C8 has an integrated bar.
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> Dennis
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> From: Frank McKinnon <car33 at att.net>
> Date: January 9, 2023 at 5:18:41 AM PST
> To: DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: 2023 Rule book changes
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> hey, the helmet will be SA 2015 or newer.
> your car needs proof it has a bar
> in it.
> i have not found it for c8 as yet
> perhaps you have.. if so please share it with me.
> seat belts will expire on dec 31 of the expiration year written on the belts tag.
> thanks Frank
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jan 7, 2023, at 2:09 PM, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Hi Frank,
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> A couple questions on rule book….
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> 1. For my Pantera team any new rules being added to 2023 like helmets??
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> 2. I plan to bring my C8. I assume like the other late model C7’s and Vipers I do ‘not’ need a roll bar for Grand Touring.
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> Thanks…. and hope to see you up at PIR in the Spring.
>
> Dennis Antenucci
> Team Pantera Racing
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> Sent from my iPhone
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