[TPR] Fwd: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes

Tue Jan 10 08:33:35 PST 2023

I can barely get in the car as it is.  Perhaps I should just wear bubble wrap.

Christopher Terp
The Seminar Group

From: TPR <tpr-bounces at teampanteraracing.com> On Behalf Of mark skwarek via TPR
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2023 8:31 AM
To: DENNIS ANTENUCCI <teampantera at yahoo.com>; Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>; David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com>
Subject: Re: [TPR] Fwd: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes

For what it's worth, the A pillar may support 2.5 times the weight of the car at rest,based on the following from GM Authority

“We designed the windshield pillars to hold 2.25 times the weight of the entire car. So you can turn the car upside down, and you can put another car on top of that, and still have room to spare,” Juechter said. “So it’s essentially a super strong roll bar,” he added, referring to the A-pillars.  AT REST!!!

The forces generated in a collision will certainly way exceed the stregnth of the A pillars. As the speed doubles the impact forces go  up by a factor of 4 times.

At least get a roll bar.
Mark

On Tuesday, January 10, 2023 at 08:41:13 AM EST, David Carpenter via TPR <tpr at teampanteraracing.com<mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>> wrote:

The info I have was from the old days.  Somebody got ahold of some data or studies from GM about that roll over protection. (I had heard)

What-ever it was, it was held in High regard by the race group.  It, & safe outcomes from several ORR crashes, cemented the understanding that the C5 - C7's coupes were UBER safe.
(Solid roofs & Removeable roof were the same)

The roll over protection of the windshield structure, plus the roof bow above & behind your head: I NEVER heard of it being crushed down more than an INCH!!!

The C8 is a whole new model.  The weight of the car is about equal.  So I'd have NO PROBLEM thinking the rigidity & strength are equal.

Air bags are equal or even better.

GM safety tests are probably what somebody got ahold of!!!
But I never heard what it was, I just went with the flow!!

I also haven't heard of auto body info from C8 repairs.  Work they'd done due to crashes!!  Or work they DIDN'T have to do because of roof / chassis strength.

I'm not sure if ORR groups might just go with Old rules, until they are proven different!!!

We always heard the European cars were limited to 140 class because they'd 'Crush Like a Pop Can'!!!!
But I never heard what drove that rule.  It would seem normal street or repair shop data would drive that.
Over & over I heard about seemingly mild crashes, where a European Coupe car....now had a wrinkle in the roof!!  NOT A GOOD SIGN!!!

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Subject: [TPR] Fwd: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes

FYI
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From: DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com<mailto:TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com>>
Date: January 9, 2023 at 9:14:45 PM PST
To: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at asajay.com>>
Cc: David Carpenter <davecarp80138 at outlook.com<mailto:davecarp80138 at outlook.com>>, Lee Pedersen <salemmotorsport at yahoo.com<mailto:salemmotorsport at yahoo.com>>
Subject: Re: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes
Mr President,
You think adding a roll bar is a good idea?

I do too….it’s a GREAT  idea….Mark already is planning to add one to his future C8.

I already have the answer for the C8 that already applies to C7’s and Vipers and others and that is what I am going with.

GM provided position to NASA (North American Racing Association) and if it’s good enough for NASA it’s good enough for me but that’s just my personal opinion. 🙂

And let me confirm again Mr President there is no as in zero roll over protection on the “Pantera”…we do agree on that….. As I said already the rules dictate that for a PANTERA you need a roll bar if you want to run in the Grand Touring Division.

Think it is an excellent rule.

Good Times

Dennis

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On Jan 9, 2023, at 8:35 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at asajay.com>> wrote:
Just a quick Internet search showed up a forum posting that indicated only the C8R has factory rollover protection for most track style events, not much on details though.  Then I found a few high end vendors making roll bars and cages.  My guess is you’ll need to install something if you want to go faster.

Asa  Jay

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Roll Over Protection for theC8<https://www.midenginecorvetteforum.com/forum/me-discussion-photos-videos/269329-roll-over-protection-for-thec8>
midenginecorvetteforum.com<https://www.midenginecorvetteforum.com/forum/me-discussion-photos-videos/269329-roll-over-protection-for-thec8>

https://studiorsr.com/products/corvette-c8-roll-cage-roll-bar

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Chevrolet C8 Corvette Coupe Rollbar<https://www.rpmrollbar.com/products/chevrolet-c8-corvette-coupe-rollbar>
rpmrollbar.com<https://www.rpmrollbar.com/products/chevrolet-c8-corvette-coupe-rollbar>

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On Jan 9, 2023, at 19:04, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com<mailto:TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com>> wrote:
Brotha Dave,
You know more Corvette racers then I do but it appears I am the FIRST to ask this “integrated roll protection on C8’s or Z06’s.

I have asked the SSCC message board and no replies yet…/also posted two requests to Corvette Forum and no response from any open road racers and Frank/SSCC says he doesn’t know of any C8 or Z06 roll over protection.

Can you check with any of any of your peeps to see if anyone knows or knows who would know at Corvette

Thanks

Dawg
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On Jan 9, 2023, at 6:11 PM, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com<mailto:TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com>> wrote:

No reason to….for several years they have been running C7’s etc in Grand Touring with NO roll bar.

Will see if anyone eventually answers SS message board or Corvette Blog…so far nothing

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From: Asa Jay Laughton<mailto:asajay at asajay.com>
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2023 4:15 PM
To: DENNIS ANTENUCCI<mailto:TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com>
Cc: Lee Pedersen<mailto:salemmotorsport at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes

You should check last years results and maybe year before.  See what speeds the C8’s were running and try to make direct contact.

Asa  Jay

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On Jan 9, 2023, at 15:48, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com<mailto:TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com>> wrote:

Thanks Asa….I just posted to Corvette Forum and specifically asked what spec has allowed earlier C7’s etc to allow not adding a aftermarket “roll bar”.

And I added just saying the C8 does have an integrated bar (s) for Driver and passenger is NOT enough.

It would appear I am the first person with a C8 to ask Frank at SS this question and no reply from my message board question either.

HEY, we are doing some ground breaking here😂😂

But if there is no spec evidence from a sanctioning GM authority I will be happy not to run faster then a 140

MD

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On Jan 9, 2023, at 3:41 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com<mailto:asajay at asajay.com>> wrote:

I got nuthin’ unless it’s in the owners manual.  It would only make sense if they are promoting it for track use that it has a factory rollover system, but….

Validation is the key.  Best to check out any C8 forums and hope for the best.

Asa  Jay

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On Jan 9, 2023, at 13:02, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com<mailto:TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com>> wrote:

Hey Lee & Asa,

I put a message on SSCC asking af anyone knew about C8 integrated bars for driver and passenger

Lee or Asa just thought maybe there is a better way to check with GM. Any other ideas. Next going to Corvette blog

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From: DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com<mailto:TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com>>
Date: January 9, 2023 at 7:44:48 AM PST
To: Team Racing <tpr at teampanteraracing.com<mailto:tpr at teampanteraracing.com>>
Subject: SSCC 2023 Rule book changes

Hey Team,

A response from SSCC Race Director (Frank McKinnon) on rule changes.

Looks like another year with SA2015 helmet…..note his comment on belts and expiration of belts…

And I will check with Corvette Blog and Vegas Club guys if the C8 has an integrated bar.

Dennis

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From: Frank McKinnon <car33 at att.net<mailto:car33 at att.net>>
Date: January 9, 2023 at 5:18:41 AM PST
To: DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com<mailto:TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com>>
Subject: Re: 2023 Rule book changes

hey,   the helmet  will  be SA 2015  or newer.
your  car needs proof it has a bar
in it.
i have not found it for  c8  as  yet
perhaps you  have..   if so  please share  it  with me.
seat belts   will  expire on dec 31  of the expiration year  written on the belts tag.
thanks Frank

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On Jan 7, 2023, at 2:09 PM, DENNIS ANTENUCCI <TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com<mailto:TEAMPANTERA at yahoo.com>> wrote:

Hi Frank,

A couple questions on rule book….

1. For my Pantera team any new rules being added to 2023 like helmets??

2. I plan to bring my C8. I assume like the other late model C7’s and Vipers I do ‘not’ need a roll bar for Grand Touring.

Thanks…. and hope to see you up at PIR in the Spring.

Dennis Antenucci

Team Pantera Racing

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