[TPR] GOALS FOR NEW YEAR Re: HAPPY NEW YEARS BOYZ + LAURI

Fri Jan 3 08:32:11 PST 2014

Yes, those are 3" ID SS Magnaflows that are oval and fit into the 'hole'
where the stock mufflers fit.
The tailpipes on the car are 3" header to tip and I wanted to keep the ID.

>From what I've read from Dan Jones and the dyno testing that he's done with
Dave McClain, the GTS mufflers, even gutted, are restrictive due to the
small outlets.
As a side comment, apparently, Wilkinson's new headers and mufflers are
much, much better.

The race car had straight pipes and was ungodly loud, which was the reason
it got its nickname 'Saturn V'...
Just tuning the carburetor with it idling hurt my ears.
Gray's response was... wear ear plugs!

Plus, Upton told me TWS is starting to enforce the sound limits they have.
The new owner is trying to keep the locals happy, it seems. Inevitable
these days...
Upton is running a couple of Borla mufflers on his car now.
:-)

Anyway, I used the two reasons above to convince myself that I needed to
put mufflers on the car with minimal impact to the performance.
I did some searching and found these. They knocked the high frequencies off
big time. It's still loud, but it doesn't hurt the ears as much.
The fit right into the opening where the normal mufflers go, as you can see
in the pictures.

I'm pretty sure these are the ones, but need to confirm to be absolutely
sure.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/mpe-14149/overview/

They are 3" ID all the way through, so I can't see how they'd impact
performance much...

Magnaflow has lots of different option with number of inlets, number of
outlets, sizes, offset, centered, etc. etc.
Summit's website allows you to narrow down the selection to what you need
very quickly.

FWIW,
Kirby

On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 9:51 AM, David in Durango <adin at frontier.net> wrote:

>  Kirby,
>
> Did we already talk about mufflers?  Magnaflows?  or what?
>
> My car has the "space city modified" whatever they are and I'd like as
> quiet as I can get without losing a lot of power.  I've heard these thing
> rob a lot of power . . . .
>
> thanks,
>
> David
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com>
> *To:* Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> *Cc:* TPR Forum <tpr at teampanteraracing.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, January 03, 2014 7:47 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [TPR] GOALS FOR NEW YEAR Re: HAPPY NEW YEARS BOYZ + LAURI
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>wrote:
>
>>  Hey Kirby, what does that red rocket have in it for roll cage
>> protection?  Any more detailed photos you can send us?  How about a look at
>> the rulebook for the vintage group you are trying to join?
>>
>
> it has a custom built cage that was installed in the car by Dennis Quella
> years ago.
> Gray had the car worked on at PPC and it was there for a long time...
>
> I'll get some pictures taken this weekend of the roll cage interior
> details.
> It is bolted in, which may be a problem when it comes to tech.
>
> Some other pics of the car while I was working on it are here.
> I've changed the numbers since then, among other things. You can see part
> of the roll cage in the back.
> http://www.spacecitypanteras.com/kirbyschrader/Pantera/styled/index.html
>
> The vintage group is called CVAR. Corinthian Vintage Auto Racing. They
> have links to their rule books and stuff on their website.
>
> http://www.corinthianvintagerace.com/
>
> The latest year I think they'll accept is 1972... but I'd have to check
> again.
>
>  There are a lot of other things that keep me from joining as well.  You
>> can read more about them here:
>> http://www.sovren.org/
>>
>
> I'll check it out this weekend.
>
>
>> I've worked a few of their races as a turn marshal and it's a blast
>> watching these things go around a track.
>>
>
> Lots of guys have told me they really like Tom Upton's Pantera at the
> track. He's a hoot to watch on the starts.
> He doesn't really try to qualify any higher than the top 10 because when
> they start, he just goes screaming out of the bunch and ends up in the top
> 3 anyway by the time they get to the first corner..
>
>
>> What's it like with your group?
>>
>
> I've not actually raced yet with them, but watching the group Tom is in is
> fun. There are some big block 'vettes that just out horsepower him on the
> big straights, but he gives them hell in the short chutes and corners. He's
> usually in the top 2 or 3 and does win races. Good fun.
>
> Next month is the training event and I'll be a student for all three days.
> I'll have to do corner working and stuff like that, plus get the car tech'd
> and see if it passes or not.
> You know how that goes... I'm sure I'll end up spending more money.
>
> Later,
> Kirby
>
>
>
>> Asa  Jay
>>
>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>> & Shelley Marie
>> Spokane, WA
>> ******************************     http://www.racingagainstautism.comhttp://www.teampanteraracing.comhttp://facebook.com/racingagainstautism
>>
>>
>> On 1/2/2014 12:16 PM, Kirby Schrader wrote:
>>
>> OK, I'll stop it.
>> It's the new year, actually....  :-)
>> Time to be upbeat.
>>
>> Finding a good painter, no matter  how much they cost, is something you
>> should hang on to.
>>
>> Yes, Tom Upton is still vintage racing. He did sell his GT1 Mustang
>> though.
>> He claims he's getting too old to keep two cars going and is
>> concentrating on the Pantera.
>> He's been after me for years to come and join him.
>>
>> You ask about 'Gray Gregory and his beast'. Man, you need to keep up on
>> current events!
>> If you're talking about the red Pantera that he used to run, he gave the
>> car to me.
>> Yup... said here, go have fun!
>> That's what  I meant when I said 'race car'. It's in my garage now.
>> See picture below.
>>
>> I've been spending time and $$$ getting it vintage legal. It now has 15"
>> wheels and slicks (used to have 16" and 17"), it has GTS flares.
>> I've added a safety net. Some cooling system mods almost finished.
>> The biggest problem is the motor. It's a 705HP, 431ci, A3 heads and about
>> as non-vintage as you can get.
>> But it does have a carburetor!
>> :-)
>>
>> The local CVAR guys have sort of hinted strongly that they'll let it run
>> with them, but if I start winning, the motor will have to become a maximum
>> 358ci vintage motor with cast iron heads. Upton is running cast iron 4V
>> heads, but he's pinned them (something done in the '70's that I only just
>> found out about) and put some serious aluminum port plates on them to raise
>> the exhaust port. He claims he shifts at 8500rpm. All I know is that the
>> hair on my arms stands up when he comes by on the straight at TWS.
>>
>> later
>> Kirby
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 1:53 PM, TPR <teampantera at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Cowboy,
>>>
>>> STOP IT!
>>> There is no such thing allowed as depression in our dysfunctional
>>> goup....but I am getting starting to feel depressed now thinking my pantera
>>> is in Tommy Hodges shop amd I cant drive it while weather is so
>>> nice...although Tomy dont get depressed or get upset with his painter
>>> because Tommy fired his painter  and now Tommy is subing paint work out
>>> again to others. Yea thank you and Bud for your lessons learned ;-) one
>>> more reason why I found a no-drama painter near my job site in Fresno...of
>>> course he doesnt have Pantera yet either haha
>>>
>>> Speaking of Toms u are saying Tom Upton is still vintage
>>> racing.?......hell I thought he died about same time as Gary Hall!!  and
>>> now you say  both of you on the track together in the future...awsome...
>>>
>>> speaking of race prepared panteras what happened to Gray Gregory  and
>>> his beast? I read on Linked in he's a builder now!
>>> Does he still have the ranch? I loved the way those Long Horned cattle
>>> used to run to the fence to listen to his race pantera running...it cracked
>>> me up.
>>> I though the cattle were dumb..they smart as Gray said no one eats
>>> them..they are ornamental cattle....oh geez has Texas changed1 ;-)
>>>
>>> Kirby Schrader <kirby.schrader at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Dear Dawg...
>>> >
>>> >My reports just sound like a bunch of whining which is depressing enough
>>> >for me.
>>> >Why would I want to depress everyone else, too?
>>> >:-)
>>> >
>>> >Yes, I waited for 7 years to get my Pantera done.
>>> >No, it wasn't finished correctly. Don't get me started.
>>> >I selected another painter (local) and he has had more drama in his life
>>> >than I would want plus he's laid up now with a very bad back after an
>>> >accident.
>>> >Sigh...
>>> >
>>> >But soon, I am told, it will be done.
>>> >How good? We shall see.
>>> >
>>> >I now need more room in my garage after inheriting the red race car.
>>> >As a friend at work said... Gosh, I wish I had those kind of problems!
>>> >That is most definitely a 'first world problem'.
>>> >
>>> >On a positive note, as I indicated before, I have joined CVAR and hope
>>> to
>>> >attend my first event in February.
>>> >Tom Upton actually seems excited that there will be another Pantera on
>>> the
>>> >track with him.
>>> >Let's just see if I can get through tech, first.
>>> >The engine is most certainly not 'vintage'.
>>> >
>>> >Y'all have a good 2014. That goes for all y'all, too.
>>> >
>>> >Later,
>>> >Kirby
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 10:25 AM, TPR <teampantera at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Why can't Kirby write such an oustanding report like that?
>>> >> Doc, that is all most excellent....end of 2014?
>>> >> In dog years that is forever.
>>> >>
>>> >> And you aint got FOREVER at your age.
>>> >>
>>> >> Just ask Kirby and Bud how long 'forever'can be trying to get your car
>>> >> finished! HAHAHAHA
>>> >>
>>> >> Happy New Year Boyz
>>> >>
>>> >> I better see at least one TEXAN at the BORR at Fort Stockton this
>>> >> year...okay Hawk....you are the MAN here.
>>> >> Show these slackers how a real Texan gets things done.
>>> >> REMEMBER THE ALAMO
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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